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Old Sep 5, 2008, 2:21pm   #1
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I am looking to go into Day Trading fulltime. Please advice if it is ok to start a career in trading when the country (UK) is in recession, economic downturn, stockmarket crash etc etc. People say that you can make money no matter what the economic situation is, is that right? But, I guess, that there will still be a time period when it is beneficially to venture into the world of trading stocks/futures/options etc. Please advice.
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Old Sep 5, 2008, 2:50pm   #2
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In general terms the markets are the markets and will always be there presenting opportunity for profit (and loss) regardless of the economic situation.

That said, particular trading styles will work better in certain environments than others.
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Old Sep 5, 2008, 2:52pm   #3
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im only a newbie, but from what I understand the ey to making money is market volatility. even in a downturn this presents opportunities. Is this correct?
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Old Sep 5, 2008, 3:10pm   #4
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Volatility is indeed the key to making money as a trader, not direction - as we are not investors, we aim to make money whether the trend is up or down.

But there are reasons to be more cautious shorting than going long -
falling markets often subject to low volumes and wild fluctuations against the prevailing downtrend, so always use a stop-loss:
a falling price can only fall to zero, so your maximum profits are finite, whereas your potential losses are infinite as there is not upper limit to a price:
falling share prices often attract a take-over bid, and this can sky-rocket the price overnight - unlike results announcements, such activity is not going to appear in any business calendar for the year:
in a general recession, the turnover of your service provider (stockbroker, spreabetting firm etc.) might fall to the extent that they are forced out of business - check the maximum compensation cover you will have on your account in case they go bust, and keep within the maximum cover.

Although TA in a downtrend is 90% (but not 100%) just the inverse of TA in an uptrend, the underlying markets are very different places. Don't expect the same results from a given trading system that looks great in an uptrend when the market flips over.
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Old Sep 5, 2008, 3:22pm   #5
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I meant to add a key question - daytrading is not the only form of trading, and is not the easiest form to begin with - do you know other formats and have you considered / trialled them?
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Old Sep 5, 2008, 5:20pm   #6
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It doesn't matter what economic conditions are, the market will always move. It's about being able to read the market - not economics.
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Old Sep 5, 2008, 7:19pm   #7
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imranmir1 started this thread Well, I am new to the terminology too. All I know is that a prop firm called TCA MArkets train traders, and all my research has shown that it is a legit company...and how successful depends on your own personality and perseverence. So, replying to tomorton, I only know that day-trading is another name for trading in financial instruments like futures/options etc.
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Old Sep 5, 2008, 7:43pm   #8
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Livermore made more in bear markets than at any other time.

'Day trading' is opening and closing your trades within a day, by 'other formats' he means position or swing trading where you hold positions for longer.
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Old Sep 6, 2008, 12:46am   #9
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True day trading results are not correlated with the economic cycle. Unless perhaps there is a very extreme downturn and the liquidity and volatility in your favourite markets dry up, but this is unlikely.

Also it could be that your day trading strat is a 'long biased' momentum style. Your results will not be as good in a bear market as even though there will still be strong up stocks they will be less frequent.

As a trader you will have your own booms and bust periods, where your equity curve will shoot up and up and periods where nothing seems to go your way.

Another thing to consider is that if you own a Home then you probably no longer have access to a HELOC in the credit crunch. This might have been good as an emergency life line should your day trading business fail and you need to find another line of work. Even if you never planned on using it, it was still good to have.
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