Rogue Trader defrauds Bank out of € 4.9 billion !

Quite true:

"...Traders only get branded as ``rogues'' after the roof caves in.

In case after case, investigations of traders who lost hundreds of millions of dollars found that their managers were loathe to examine their trading as long as they were making money.

...the fallout generally follows a familiar pattern: The institution blames a lone trader. As more evidence develops, it becomes clear the losses stem as much from bosses who were willing to overlook trading risks as from the deceptions of an individual.

``Nobody calls you a rogue trader until you start losing money,'' said Philip McBride
Johnson, a Washington attorney who was chairman of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission from 1981 to 1983. ``It's amazing how people can do pretty much what they want as long as they make money.''...


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"Rogue traders of our time

Ah, the wonders of modern technology.

The increasing computerisation and sophistication of financial markets these days means that losing hundreds of millions of pounds can be as easy as pressing a button.

Little wonder, then that rogue traders - whether honest blunderers or outright fraudsters - seem to have been cropping up ever more frequently of late.

And as markets have become increasingly nervous and dangerous places in the past few months, the chances of yet more slips or swindles look high."

BBC News | BUSINESS | Rogue traders of our time


"The fraud step-by-step"
BBC News | BUSINESS | The fraud step-by-step


"How to lose half a billion

Allied Irish Bank's admission that it has lost more than £500m on the foreign exchange markets thanks to a trader who has since absconded sounds impossible to believe."

BBC News | BUSINESS | How to lose half a billion


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I find it absolutely unbelievable that a 5 billion loss was hidden by a sole trader without anyone else knowing what was going on... Press conference scheduled for now but haven't seen or heard anything about it yet.
 
No surprise to see Members of the Mental Midget's Club USA screaming for French blood.

They're urging the Fed to sue SocGen for forcing them into a 75 basis point cut.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose!:rolleyes:
 
Here He Is...

Well, here he is, the man who burned 5 Billion! :-0
 

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good for him, makes a change for the little guy to get one over on the banks... no worries socgen.... just a biz risk.... carry on. My faith in humanity is sustained on stories like this.. well done.

look on the bright side who was on the other side of the trade ? huh, bet they aint complaining...
 
Amazing that the dudes photo is out already....

Ive seen a shot of the SocGen risk manager...cant post it on here though as havent got a webpage to post it on then link :(
 
This is the same sort of systemic monitoring failure that allows 1/2 million IDs to be downloaded onto disk and lost.

The aeronautical world learned ages ago that you design glitches out of the system at the planning stage. (eg as not done by FSA / sub primes / Civil Service ) The banking industry apparently has yet to learn. Even the Victorians learned how to synchronise rail signals with points in order to prevent human interference thus avoiding disaster (apart from some notable exceptions due to human error).

It seems that human error will sometimes win and this is what we have to fight against.
 
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Banks, hedge funds, brokers and investment companies/funds have risk assessment departments that have to report on a regular basis to the authorities; it is impossible to hide such losses from everyone else in the bank. Others were aware of the trades and were quite happy to let things go unmentioned whilst the bottomline was showing a profit. As usual, when things go wrong, someone has to take the rap - the LITTLE GUY. The top dogs always claim that they cannot recall seeing any of the trades go through etc.
 
BSD,

I reckon it was a case of compulsive repetive fat-finger syndrome.

I bet you were the counter-party. You must be laughing all the way to the bank (not Soc Gen).

I've just taken this stock off my Watchlist (honest). Paribas and Deutsche Bank are still there. They'll probably be next.

Grant.
 
I bet that little out-trade caused some heated discussions: "Where's this 4.9 billion come from? We don't trade Italian lira anymore."

That's upset Sarkozy's little soiree with his bimbo.Sacre bleu.

Grant.
 
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This trader earned 100,000 Euros a year working in SocGen. Is that a lot of money for trader with about 7 years experience and living in Paris?
 
This trader earned 100,000 Euros a year working in SocGen. Is that a lot of money for trader with about 7 years experience and living in Paris?

That is interesting question when you consider the fact that some people think "Trading" and "Having a job" are mutually exclusive.
 
Banks, hedge funds, brokers and investment companies/funds have risk assessment departments that have to report on a regular basis to the authorities; it is impossible to hide such losses from everyone else in the bank. Others were aware of the trades and were quite happy to let things go unmentioned whilst the bottomline was showing a profit. As usual, when things go wrong, someone has to take the rap - the LITTLE GUY. The top dogs always claim that they cannot recall seeing any of the trades go through etc.

That was the case with Barings, wasn't it? Everyone left Leeson alone until the crunch came! Why not? The guy was making everyone rich!
 
That was the case with Barings, wasn't it? Everyone left Leeson alone until the crunch came! Why not? The guy was making everyone rich!

I think Kerviel is the ultimate proof that martingale systems don't work. If he couldn't make it work with 3.5bn then no-one can!!
 
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Hey Grant, (too long) time no hear, hope everything is going fine for you !

BSD,

I bet you were the counter-party. You must be laughing all the way to the bank (not Soc Gen).

Hehe, I just wish...

I don't have a boat, but went to the horizon widening Boot with some friends yesterday, Christ, even a very modest percentage of his losses would set you up for a life navigating the worlds aquatic hot spots.

This trader earned 100,000 Euros a year working in SocGen. Is that a lot of money for trader with about 7 years experience and living in Paris?

Apparently, which makes the whole thing even more amazing, he wasn't even a proper trader, just someone responsible for hedging positions, can't imagine that anybody who has a clue about trading would sell their soul for such an amount, wouldn't really make any sense financially, would it...

That was the case with Barings, wasn't it? Everyone left Leeson alone until the crunch came! Why not? The guy was making everyone rich!

Absolutely...

Just found this very relevant article in the parallel thread on this topic, Krugman is always an enjoyable read and usually spot on in his analysis:

"Last year, the world was astonished to hear that a young employee of the ancient British firm Barings had lost more than a billion dollars in speculative trading, quite literally breaking the bank. But when an even bigger financial disaster was revealed last month--the loss of at least $1.8 billion (the true number is rumored to be $4 billion or more) in the copper market by an employee of Sumitomo Corp.--the story quickly faded from the front pages. "Oh well, just another rogue trader," was the general reaction.
Thanks largely to investigative reporting by the Financial Times, however, it has become clear that Yasuo Hamanaka, unlike Nick Leeson of Barings, was not a poorly supervised employee using his company's money to gamble on unpredictable markets. On the contrary, there is little question that he was, in fact, implementing a deliberate corporate strategy of "cornering" the world copper market--a strategy that worked, yielding huge profits, for a number of years. Hubris brought him down in the end; but it is his initial success, not his eventual failure, that is the really disturbing part of the tale...."

Continued:
"How Copper Came a Cropper
Sumitomo's robber-baron tactics make the case for regulation."


As long as you are making money anything goes in this myopic and hypocritical world of ours, the term rogue is only added to your name once you have the bad luck of encountering a dry spell.
 
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It just keeps getting better...

"...In the middle of last year he began placing huge unauthorized bets that European markets would continue to rise. At first, Mr. Kerviel fared well and he was winning toward the end of the year [Mais bien entendu]. People close to the bank said the combined positions were worth about $73 billion.

...Last Saturday, Société Générale executives called Mr. Kerviel in for questioning…. The interrogation took a good part of the day because Mr. Kerviel had convinced himself that he had discovered a new way to trade equity securities...."


Continued: French Bank Rocked by Rogue Trader - WSJ.com

Not very leveraged was he, position of 73 billion vs his losses...

Also, people who honestly belive that they have come up with a new way to trade need to be put out of their misery as quickly as possible,that's a very severe disease with some unsettling contagious side effects.

There are loads and loads of other examples, but to cite just one, it's not that long ago when boards where inundated with stories of being simultaneously long and short the same instrument as a guaranteed and direct short cut to the one and only Holy Grail.
 
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