more liquid? FTSE or Eurostoxx?

We all know the ES is one of the most liquid futures contracts to trade but which of the European markets is the most liquid?
Eurostoxx, FTSE, DAX?

All of them are very very liquid markets for "normal" retail trading, you can add the German Bund as well....
would be another thing if you trade "massive" sizes, but even if that were the case, take into account that all the Prop trading firms and hedge funds out there do trade them actively in several time scopes in a daily basis....

FESX by a long way - far more than the other two put together.

Doesn't this allow anyone with the funds to push the FTSE around a lot more?
I mean I know the flipper used to do stuff in the bonds so of course it's possible in any contract at illiquid times...

...and on that note if the FESX is more liquid, why are SB and CFD companies charging 2 pt spreads on it in the UK? Traded less than the FTSE in UK maybe?

Maybe I'm totally wrong here.. but I read once that German Bund was the most traded instrument in the world not that far time ago... so if the "flipper" pushed it back then with massive orders I think any other market could be pushed till a certain way as well

In what little I've read (there isn't a great deal out there) about the Flipper, he wasn't trying to push the market back, he was assessing which way the market was likely to go anyway without him, placing an order to indicate that he wanted to go the other direction and then flipping that order. I think he said quite clearly, he couldnt' stand in the way of a trend.

Sure, but that is a dangerous game.

As for the bucket shops, you'll have to ask them. I imagine it's just something that UK punters want to punt on more, so they're more concerned with roping them in - so I think you're right about that.

I'll see if I can get the average daily volume - the difference will be massive. I have a feeling that FESX is somewhere in the region of a million cars a day.

Looking around, I can't seem to locate the info on the FTSE (these f uckers could learn something from the CME, that's for sure) but this is from the Eurex website:

Total FESX contracts traded in April, 26,000,000. So about 1.3 million a day, assuming 20 trading days.

FDAX, 3,000,000, so about 150,000 a day.

FTSE I don't know, but I seem to remember seeing that it was in the same region as the FDAX.

As a rough rule of thumb then, there's around 10 times the volume in FESX that there is in either FDAX or Z.

http://www.eurexchange.com/download/...tat_201204.pdf