Trade: Obama born in Kenya

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Old May 22, 2012, 8:50am   #17
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It's worth quoting a post from duc in response to this.
Yeah, true.
All I'm saying is I don't care, there no money in it
Analysing and debating it gains me nothing.
Just my personal view.
For me the time is better spent doing something else
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Old May 22, 2012, 11:53pm   #18
 
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Is it really that hard to understand the reasoning to this ???????????????????
No wonder both our cultures are on the verge of losing everything, absolutely un-fcking believable!
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The Constitution is replete with "amendments", so is not set in stone. The notions of citizenship will change, since the world is more inter-connected than ever before.

Culture is also a constantly evolving creature.
It is within living memory that US "culture" had enshrined within it the notions of "whites" and "coloureds". That has, thankfully, changed. (at least on paper)
The idea that the culture that anyone arbitrarily is born into is the "best" one, and worth protecting, over anyone elses, is the product of a provincial mind.

The Chinese culture, for example, is the single, longest continuous culture in human history, and has seen the rise and fall of many empires.
It had ships that would have dwarfed european ones, they had writing and science when the europeans were still grunting around in animal skins.
Just about ALL the history taught in schools is euro or US-centric.
This naturally gives a distorted view of achievements, etc.

The sooner the US slips beneath the waves, and is consigned to the dustbin of history, the sooner we can build a future that isnt predicated on the robbery of other countries resources.
Come to think of it, even natural born US citizens, once they get enough money, seek to live in such a way as to give nothing back. Parasitism is the default condition of the US and americans.
Even the true-blue "royalty" of america avoid taxes, and seek to bleed their nation and fellow citizens of their money, and off-shore it.
So much for patriotism.
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Old May 23, 2012, 8:04am   #19
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Yeah, true.
All I'm saying is I don't care, there no money in it
Analysing and debating it gains me nothing.
Just my personal view.
For me the time is better spent doing something else
Agree with this 100%....there's no cash in the analysis and intense debate on these matters. I've been blessed to live [not visit] in quite a few countries of the world and its pretty clear that at the end of the day, character and intelligence is all that matter. There's more to everything than you think you know and there are alot of exceptions to the 'rule'. Globalization is unstoppable and will be reflected in every part of our lives going forward....citizenship, business, tourism, communication etc. Best to get with and profit of your edge. Just my thoughts.
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Old May 23, 2012, 8:43am   #20
 
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Agree with this 100%....there's no cash in the analysis and intense debate on these matters. I've been blessed to live [not visit] in quite a few countries of the world and its pretty clear that at the end of the day, character and intelligence is all that matter. There's more to everything than you think you know and there are alot of exceptions to the 'rule'. Globalization is unstoppable and will be reflected in every part of our lives going forward....citizenship, business, tourism, communication etc. Best to get with and profit of your edge. Just my thoughts.
I've lived in two different countries, not a few, but still. If there is more to everything than you think you know, what is the harm in trying to discover it through analysis and intense debate? If character and intelligence is all that matters why are you promoting ignorance?
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Old May 23, 2012, 8:53am   #21
 
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The Constitution is replete with "amendments", so is not set in stone. The notions of citizenship will change, since the world is more inter-connected than ever before.
The US constitution was written to limit the powers of Government and to preserve private property rights and freedom for the people. These concepts don't change with time. The Government has no assumed powers, it can only do what the constitution allows it to do. The President's oath is "I promise to preserve, defend and uphold the Constitution".

American citizens are slowly but surely losing the freedom that made the country the richest in the world and the result is they are becoming a 3rd world country.
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Old May 23, 2012, 9:03am   #22
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I've lived in two different countries, not a few, but still. If there is more to everything than you think you know, what is the harm in trying to discover it through analysis and intense debate? If character and intelligence is all that matters why are you promoting ignorance?
No one is bashing analysis or debate, certainly not me.
Its simply an issue of prioritising your time.
As far as Obama goes, whats the worst case outcome of this whole citizenship debate - an election...

As for birthplace, are children of U.S. service personnel born overseas
not U.S citizens?
Even if there is any truth in the Kenyan link, he has enough for U.S. citizenship.
As for nit picking in the constitution - well its out of date simple as that.
List of amendments to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BTW, I'm not anti or pro Obama.
For me politics is just preference cycles.
Example - 70's stagflation in UK - chop and change between Labour and Conservative.
Reason - the only fix for the problems of that era were time, plain and simple.
Politicians don't have the luxury of time, so resort to short term sticky plasters,
hence the chop and change.
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Old May 23, 2012, 9:08am   #23
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I've lived in two different countries, not a few, but still. If there is more to everything than you think you know, what is the harm in trying to discover it through analysis and intense debate? If character and intelligence is all that matters why are you promoting ignorance?
For one to get with the changing times is not promoting ignorance. For one to basically argue an opinion and not be open to reality is ignorance.
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Old May 23, 2012, 9:14am   #24
 
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For one to get with the changing times is not promoting ignorance.
What? Saying "Best to get with and profit of your edge" is basically saying you aren't interested in understanding why things are changing, just get with...whatever 'with' is. This is ignorance.
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