Where do you fit within your market analogy ?

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People seem to view the markets in different ways. The two predominant views seem to be :

a) The market is a battle between buyers and sellers
b) The market is an auction where buyers and sellers are seeking each other out

Regardless of whether you use one of the above views or another - where do you see yourself in all this?

For example - if the market is a battle between buyers and sellers, would you see yourself as a warrior trying to defeat sellers when you buy ? Or would you see the market as a battle and yourself as an external component ?

DT

I hate all this macho "battle", "warrior" and "war" analogy.
Because, it implies you are shooting and harming others just to make money, or others are harming you when you take a hit.

I also dont like the "against" the markets, nor the idea of "beating" them, either.

I prefer to think of the markets as an ocean, and I sail my boat.
If I set my sails just right and judge the wind direction right, I get to move with the currents and wind. If I am right, my sailing rig takes me to new horizons. If Im wrong, I get caught in a squall.

Its about getting in tune with the sea and wind.
Winning means I travel the sea.
Not winning means I need to reset my sails.
No-one gets hurt. No-one dies. No-one gets beaten.

Trendie - interesting analogy.

One of the things that interests me is that you see the markets as an ocean but you do not see yourself as a drop of water in it, rather as a boat on top of it. You see the market as one thing and yourself as another.

There is nothing wrong with this. It is the point of my question. I find it interesting.

I have never thought myself as anything other than someone who selects a point on a chart at which I would buy or sell. I don't ride off into battle, sail the seven seas or anything similar, I'm afraid.

I get armchair adventuring from a novel that I keep near at hand when I'm trading. At present, I am into "Home Before Dark" by Charles Maclean. You see? Not even a trading book!

I prefer to think of the market, as the sodding market, which is a small insignificant part of the universe. Oh which I am a small insignificant insignificant part.

Splitlink said:

I have never thought myself as anything other than someone who selects a point on a chart at which I would buy or sell. I don't ride off into battle, sail the seven seas or anything similar, I'm afraid.

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Do you see yourself as the same as other market participants? Do you see the market as a bunch of people like yourself? Or is there some difference from how you view the other participants and yourself ?

Splitlink said:

I get armchair adventuring from a novel that I keep near at hand when I'm trading. At present, I am into "Home Before Dark" by Charles Maclean. You see? Not even a trading book!

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I am reading "Ape and Essence" by Huxley right now myself.

I have no room in my life for trading books any more...

I don't see the human self in any of it at all. Human identity ceases to be, along with all it's selfish wants, hopes, fears and desires.

I, I, I, me, me , me, what have you got to do with it ? You selfish human you ? Can't you forget being body conscious for once and be the experience of the market ?

Transcend the boundaries of human form , where have you gone then, what are you now ?

DionysusToast said:

Do you see yourself as the same as other market participants? Do you see the market as a bunch of people like yourself? Or is there some difference from how you view the other participants and yourself ?



I am reading "Ape and Essence" by Huxley right now myself.

I have no room in my life for trading books any more...

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That is what it is, of course, a bunch of people. I get curious as to why so many may be selling when I want to do the opposite, especially when they are posting on this site.
T2W brings traders into my consciousness as people with whom I communicate and who have an opinion to which I may, or may noy agree.

Those outside the site are just a misty mass that comprises the market, as a whole. Not as an enemy, rival, or anything like that.

Counts the I 's , 4 of them..........

I am spinola, I sit in my chair, in my office, I look at my charts, I see the waves, I think it looks like the ocean, I see tides, I see the ebb and flow, I am a part of the ocean. Look at the I's of the body conscious human form, me, me, me, I , I, I .

OR


Water !



Ha !




Oh forgot, might as well tag this cheesy line on


There is no I in water ! -

Oh no, it's Jim Sloman.

Could be Jim, what choices.

spinola said:

I don't see the human self in any of it at all. Human identity ceases to be, along with all it's selfish wants, hopes, fears and desires.

I, I, I, me, me , me, what have you got to do with it ? You selfish human you ? Can't you forget being body conscious for once and be the experience of the market ?

Transcend the boundaries of human form , where have you gone then, what are you now ?

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Indeed....

Well, choose from the picture , what is the experience ? Share it ............

spinola said:

I am spinola, I sit in my chair, in my office, I look at my charts, I see the waves, I think it looks like the ocean, I see tides, I see the ebb and flow, I am a part of the ocean. Look at the I's of the body conscious human form, me, me, me, I , I, I .

OR


Water !



Ha !




Oh forgot, might as well tag this cheesy line on


There is no I in water ! -

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As far as money and markets are concerned, what I want is most important, at least, while my money is in play.

From what I read on this site, that seems to be the opinion of most of us and any trading opinion that does not interest the trader is very rare.

DionysusToast said:

People seem to view the markets in different ways.

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Not sure having any analogy is a good thing. We normally only need to analogise something if it’s difficult to comprehend in its natural state. Analogising the markets presupposes a complexity which in reality exists only by virtue of what a trader brings to the party him or herself.

You know yourself on days when you are clear, crystal, cool and controlled the market, quite mysteriously, seems to be the same. Direction and intent are obvious, momentum is a blue neon light and entries and exits are as effortless as they are accurate. Other days, when events (probably non-trading related) have conspired to mess your head a little you notice that the markets also seem to be unclear, directionless, except for that one bloody big move you missed, oh, and that one too, as you were trying to make head or tail of a congealed mass of consolidation that on any other day you would have recognised immediately and passed on without a second glance rather than agonise over for an eternity. And having missed those obvious big moves, well it’s too late to get in now, until you look later and realise it wasn’t (it rarely is), you find your treading energy dropping and end up taking no trades (best option on a day like this) or crap trades (what normally happens on a day like this).

It’s all very simple. It just seems complex because there’s a lot of ‘it’ out there and we have complete and total freedom of choice as to what and when and how we trade.

If there was only one instrument in the entire universe to trade and you could only trade it between 10:00 and 14:00 and you could only take straight outright directional plays either go long, short or stand aside and you were only allowed one trade per day and you weren’t allowed any indicators; trading would suddenly become a lot simpler. Well, you can actually choose it to be like that. If you want.

So no, I don’t have an analogy for the market. It just is what it is. Grasshopper.

TheBramble said:

If there was only one instrument in the entire universe to trade and you could only trade it between 10:00 and 14:00 and you could only take straight outright directional plays either go long, short or stand aside and you were only allowed one trade per day and you weren’t allowed any indicators; trading would suddenly become a lot simpler. Well, you can actually choose it to be like that. If you want.

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This is what I am currently doing - with 2 slight exceptions. I do trade before 10am and I do often take more than 1 trade.

Splitlink said:

As far as money and markets are concerned, what I want is most important, at least, while my money is in play.

From what I read on this site, that seems to be the opinion of most of us and any trading opinion that does not interest the trader is very rare.

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And what do you feel you want that is so important while your money is playing in this market thingy that you speak of ?

I like what you share here.

spinola said:

And what do you feel you want that is so important while your money is playing in this market thingy that you speak of ?

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I would not be trading if I did not want to make money on the trade, would I?