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Old Jan 3, 2010, 11:50am   #61
 
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Could always up sticks and off to China ?

Wouldn't have to decide between the parties to pick the least worst

but leave the hash behind or else

I concur with your point of view Split, I think everyone should vote. Otherwise damn politicians would have no incentive to deliver anything. One of the key values of a democratic system is change after set period.


As for that twit who got executed, once again I have no idea what the fuss is about. The guy (53) enters some shady deal with Poles to carry a suit case with 20kg of heroine which he says he has no idea about. He can hardly be said to be naive. Asians are street wise from the age of 6 upwards. To imagine he was conned is stupid. To suggest he was mentally deficient is legal clap trap.

We too should have capital punishment as well as corporate punishment in schools.

Same old human rights stick to bash China with. Oh my what a bad lot they are... I think not.

He has lived his life and if there was any injustice let it be a lesson to any other half brain druggies in for a quick buck.

So much fuss over one idiot no doubt guilty imo. Do you get to hear evidence or the case against him. NO! but lets save him because we are so good and nice people than the Chinese... I don't think so!
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Old Jan 3, 2010, 12:02pm   #62
 
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My dad, a London bus driver, told me that the known communists all turned up for a garage strike meeting. Sometimes there were as few as six there but they could bring a whole garage out!

Sometimes, I wonder if we deserve democracy.
Your example is the story of post-war GB industry (ETU, Red Robbo, printers etc etc).

Voter apathy is one of the biggest dangers to democracy - but it's not surprising (although very dangerous) how people feel when you see the politicians' disregard for integrity & their placing of Party interest above that of the nation.

We get the politicians & governments we deserve - some people even voted for the present lot 3 times - bit like lowering your stoploss eh?

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Old Jan 3, 2010, 12:04pm   #63
 
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If you agree with the statement:-

" reward effort, honesty and a profitable return " then don't vote Labour

they usually reward the people who won't or can't repay.
Moral - yes
Impracticable - yes
sensible - no

Socialism is a fatally flawed philosophy and leads to bankruptcy
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Old Jan 3, 2010, 12:14pm   #64
 
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Socialism is just, moral, compassionate, benevolent and no doubt green-oriented.

It has just one problem: it doesn't work.
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Socialism is just, moral, compassionate, benevolent and no doubt green-oriented.

It has just one problem: it doesn't work.
If only the electorate wasn't so stupid. They keep voting in the losers, while the people who know what to do are forced to sit on the sidelines twiddling their fingers.
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It has just one problem: it doesn't work.
Neither does democracy

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If only the electorate wasn't so stupid.
And that my friends is democracy's fatal flaw.

Too many dumb-asses allowed to vote.
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Old Jan 3, 2010, 3:47pm   #67
 
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Neither does democracy



And that my friends is democracy's fatal flaw.

Too many dumb-asses allowed to vote.
But unfortunately, it's the best we've got.
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But unfortunately, it's the best we've got.
Maybe we should try harder.
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Maybe we should try harder.
I used to have a Boss many years ago who, when I (tried to) insist on an idea different to his said: "OK, we'll compromise & do it my way".
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The USA's system is even worse. Members votes are horse traded ( bought ) at great cost and compromised so much that most legislation is so watered down it's almost unrecognisable and near useless.
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If only the electorate wasn't so stupid. They keep voting in the losers, while the people who know what to do are forced to sit on the sidelines twiddling their fingers.
One could argue if the elected leaders were not so much into spin and political deceit we could make better decisions based on the truth.

Balance should be the objective... Two sides to any arguement or multiple perspectives to any view if you like...


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One could argue if the elected leaders were not so much into spin and political deceit we could make better decisions based on the truth.

Balance should be the objective... Two sides to any arguement or multiple perspectives to any view if you like...


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Reading this pages makes me believe that electorate are more wiser than lot of people give them credit for. At least they hold their vote(if no one is deserving in their view),
or change the way they vote if they see it fit.

supposedly smart people; very clear from this pages that, always voted the same way and with near certainty you can say that, they always will. Political fanatics one may argue.

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Old Jan 3, 2010, 6:30pm   #73
 
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When I was a student, I lived in a shared house with a bunch of friends. Making any sort of collective decision about where we should eat, or drink, or which clubs we should frequent, or which lectures we should attend, or which clothes to wear was generally an absolute nightmare.

To overcome these problems, we wrote a computer program, that selected choices at random, and everyone collectively agreed to abide by the computers decision. The quality of decisions made purely by random chance where no better or worse than a decisions agreed upon by debate and consensus, but the process was considerably quicker, and less fraught.

I reckon you could probably run a country along similar lines. Decide on a course of action purely at random, and then allow politicians to focus on implimenting and managing the outcome rather than petty political squabbling.

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And that my friends is democracy's fatal flaw.

Too many dumb-asses allowed to vote.
I'd say that too many dumb asses vote and many more dumber asses don't bother. That is a terrible shame.

The political leaders say that it is a terrible threat to democracy that not enough people vote. That is one of the biggest lines of BS that politicians have. The Spanish ones say exactly the same. If we don't vote they get a better chance of winning and it doesn't matter if they do not win the election as long as they win the seat.
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I reckon you could probably run a country along similar lines. Decide on a course of action purely at random, and then allow politicians to focus on implimenting and managing the outcome rather than petty political squabbling.
One of the key parts of my Masters Degree was a very heavy emphasis on the process of decision making and the techniques of how to do it. I have used this in a number of roles within companies and as a consultant to great effect. The fact that government and most companies and organizations are managed by those who have no understanding of the process or techniques of effective decision making does not mean that a random approach is the best way of doing it in my view.


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