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Old Sep 25, 2003, 3:38pm   #1
 
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Who shot JFK?

When Truman and Eisenhower left office they both warned of the growing influence and distorted power of the 'military industrial complex.' Since 1945 and 1975 the Usa increased it's military spending 100 fold in real terms. All post-ww2 Us presidents have succumbed to the power and influence of this lobby, with the exception being kennedy, (and possibly carter for different reasons.)

Kennedy although something of a war vet himself (albeit limited,) knew very early on that the war in vietnam could not be won, and seeing the bigger picture, he realised that fighting the cold war through 'client states' in tit-for-tat measures to halt communist expansion was going to prove very costly both fiscally, politically, and in american lives abroad. Truman had, to a large extent been bullied into increasing the Us participation in korea and kennedy feared the same pressures. (The Mcarthy witch hunt's were still afresh memory.) His running mate's primary campaign had been funded by just the kind of donations that would expect some return, (LBJ.) So putting him 'on the ticket' meant having the 'enemy' within, and manage-able which was preferable than not. He also figured that LBJ could bring Texas and some other states along with him in what would be a close contest with Nixon.

His stated policy of disentangling the Us from vietnam by the end of his 2nd term was an athema to the military and the industrial complex that profited from war. LBJ knew this too and was under their collective pressure for 'pay back.' But he was powerless against JFK, Robert kennedy, and mcnamara who formed the inner circle, - any 'elder statesman advice' coming from adlai stevenson - not lbj - who was out in the cold. I have little doubt that lbj was at the very least unconsciousely implicit in the events that followed.

Who most wanted Kennedy out the way, and who benefited most, was it Castro, The cuban rebels or the Mafia, well each had a strong case, - from the bay of pigs to robert kennedy's crackdown on the mob, but the biggest beneficiary was what eisenhower had turned as and warned of, 'the military industrial complex.'

Was the mob involved,? maybe as the hired shot, but in all probability it was the former's organisation that affected the demise of JFK (and later - probably Robert kennedy too,) and put LBJ, from Texas in the Whitehouse, who proceeded to massively increase engagement in Vietnam.

Whish state benefited most economically from Vietnam,? -Texas. Who's in the White house now? - a texan. Why didn't LBJ run for re-election in 68, his attempts to forge an 'honourable peace at the paris conference was seen as trechary by his doners, who switched to nixon, and sabotaged the peace plan through an intermediary acting on behalf of the Nixon camp, who let the opposing side know that more favourable terms would be on offer from the 'new' president. (Incidentally almost 6 more years of war resulted in Nixon achieving slightly less than LBJ had negotiated 6 years earlier.)

Carter was the other exception, he was a micro-manager who really couldn't see the big picture, and couldn't be got at - basically a pacisfst who opposed war as an instrument of policy on pseudo-religious/moralistic grounds. He was fed bad advice and a bad plan re; the iranian hostages, and was then resoundingly beaten by a neo-con republican who took us closer to the brink (although we didn't know it at the time) than any president before him, - Reagan. If Reagan had't have forced Hague to go as Secretary of State mid way through his first term, things might have been a lot different. As the Iranian contra affair proved reagan was the opposite of carter, he saw the big picture-that was fed to him, but had no eye for detail.

How did Bush lose the 92 election after having the highest approval rating in history, post gulf war, - he wouldn't go all the way to Baghdad after liberating kuwait, whose support did he lose? who has corrected this unfinished business? where is he from? who was his running mate? (now vice president) what is his background? This is how conspiracy theorys are born. You just have to unwrap the puzzle that itself is wrapped up in a riddle and surrounded by an enigma.




More recent conspiracy theorys:
1. Osama bin Laden is dead, The U.s know this but it suits their purpose to let the world think he is alive for 2 reasons; firstly so that a martyr doesn't emerge to fuel more extremism, and a vacumn isn't created that would be filled by who knows what, secondly to give the world an identifiable traget and face that it can focus on in the so called new war on terrorism-the net result being massive increases in military expenditure.

2. Is Myra Hindley still alive, and free with a new identity? possibly!


How true is all of the above...................................you decide.
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One of my favourites is the one about how the US government and NASA faked the moon landings in a battle of one up manship with the USSR during the cold war.
Instead of landing on the Moon, the Apollo crews may have found their way to the Arizona/Nevada desert/s.

A recent documentary seemed to dispel this conspiracy theory as a myth, by discounting the conspiracy theories "evidence" as non-reliable - such as the shadows and the USA flag blowing in a breeze.

It's still an interesting conspiracy theory though, and if true, would demonstrate what our governemnts are capable of keeping hidden from us.

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One of my favourites is the one about how the US government and NASA faked the moon landings in a battle of one up manship with the USSR during the cold war.
Instead of landing on the Moon, the Apollo crews may have found their way to the Arizona/Nevada desert/s.

A recent documentary seemed to dispel this conspiracy theory as a myth, by discounting the conspiracy theories "evidence" as non-reliable - such as the shadows and the USA flag blowing in a breeze.

It's still an interesting conspiracy theory though, and if true, would demonstrate what our governemnts are capable of keeping hidden from us.
The lunar landings were used to precisely place a special reflective prism on the surface of the moon, which is still there today. It is used by scientists to measure the varying distance of the moon from the earth in its orbit. Anyone can point a laser at the publically available co-ordinates, and the prism will reflect the laser back to you.

None of the conspiracy theories has ever touched on the placement of this prism, because it conclusively proves that we did go, otherwise it wouldnt be there.
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The lunar landings were used to precisely place a special reflective prism on the surface of the moon, which is still there today. It is used by scientists to measure the varying distance of the moon from the earth in its orbit. Anyone can point a laser at the publically available co-ordinates, and the prism will reflect the laser back to you.

None of the conspiracy theories has ever touched on the placement of this prism, because it conclusively proves that we did go, otherwise it wouldnt be there.
Hi Arb

yes i forgot about the prism. I think this may have been the concluding nail in the coffin of the lunar conspiracy theorists in the documentary.

I've just bought a National Geographic telescope for 1/2 price (£22.50) from Asda, with up to 525x magnification. Do you reckon I'll be able to see the flag?
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Hi Arb

yes i forgot about the prism. I think this may have been the concluding nail in the coffin of the lunar conspiracy theorists in the documentary.

I've just bought a National Geographic telescope for 1/2 price (£22.50) from Asda, with up to 525x magnification. Do you reckon I'll be able to see the flag?
National Geographic is an American institution and as such will be complicit in any cover up. The viewfinder will have a little US flag in it that will pop into focus when you aim the telescope at the moon
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