some seasonal provocation...

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As we approach the major christian festival of Christmas, it always occurs to me that if primitive man had been sophisticated enough to understand the big bang theory, darwin, evolution, dna, and other scientific approaches that provide a more realistic fact based account of the evolution of this planet/man, 'science' might have become 'religion.'

Man has an inherent need to understand his origins, and the origins of the environment around him, the natural corollary of not understanding it, leads him to believe in something bigger/greater than himself, ie a 'god like' all mighty existance that created both him and the planet. This, and the need to have a governing code/set of standards by which to live and create functioning societies is probably what gave rise to the major religions of the world.

Marx called religion 'the opium of the masses' and western christian history has proved that it was indeed mis-used as an instument of state. Indeed even today in the developing world, and in other more extreme interpretations of all religious codes, it continues to enslave it's followers. No surprise then that the last pope (John Paul II) had effectively abandoned any hope of a widespread christian renaissance in Europe, calling it a 'god-less' continent, the catholic church turning instead to the more fertile grounds of under-developed nations in Africa and South America.

Faith asks of us to believe in a phenomenon that is unproven and probably likely to remian that way, whereas Science attempts to provide logic, and empirical evidence of it's effects on the planet's/man's continuing evolution. Indeed even some Christian teachings now talk about 'intelligent design' as a kind of Adam & Eve/ darwinian hybrid.

It's interesting to wonder what the effect on mankind would have been had man known of the 'science' way back when.
 
Jingle bells bb, :D

Scientists Confirm Extraterrestrial Genes in Human DNA


that website says our DNA is out of this world ??? weird to think earth is all lit up like a chrimbo tree and all the life on it are the decorations and when you think of it, it is a huge riot of weirdness of life forms...... I just need a few brewski's to get my head round it first..... well not really , I just enjoy a few brewski's invented by Monks I think :)
 
As we approach the major christian festival of Christmas, it always occurs to me that if primitive man had been sophisticated enough to understand the big bang theory, darwin, evolution, dna, and other scientific approaches that provide a more realistic fact based account of the evolution of this planet/man, 'science' might have become 'religion.'

Not sure Darwin should be put on a pedestole. His theory that inbreeding would help improve the human species didn't prove a great success..
 
Jingle bells bb, :D

Scientists Confirm Extraterrestrial Genes in Human DNA


that website says our DNA is out of this world ??? weird to think earth is all lit up like a chrimbo tree and all the life on it are the decorations and when you think of it, it is a huge riot of weirdness of life forms...... I just need a few brewski's to get my head round it first..... well not really , I just enjoy a few brewski's invented by Monks I think :)

But how do they know ET genes exist in human DNA. WHo provided the ET genes :confused:.
 
But how do they know ET genes exist in human DNA. WHo provided the ET genes :confused:.

Something to do with the human DNA is too advanced for the age of planet earth or something . SO..... like a seed it was planted..... ?? But theorectically yeah, why wouldn't there be life out there anyway ? we are proof, life on earth ,that life exists in space...

Drakes equation n all that.......?

:) I listen but no fixed opinion, but we are spoilt with the abundance and beauty of differing forms of life on this old planet....... thousands of freaky life forms....... and some of them taste good too.

And some say if we ask the questions then we already know the answer its just a case of us trying to connect to the flow of,or attainment or ..or..... I need the fridge ... wifes gone food shopping and I need to get cooking, lol dinner..... but there is a stack of cold beers..... and im being strangely drawn towards them..
 
Hmmm ..... the views of a small minority of "scientists". Sometimes I think the internet has a lot to answer for by providing an almost cost free publishing medium for every whacko on the planet.

yeah I agree...... but personally I cannot be fixed to the idea that life only starts and ends here on earth..... i think thats a bit blinkered.. but happy either way, just doesnt sit right.....
 
yeah I agree...... but personally I cannot be fixed to the idea that life only starts and ends here on earth..... i think thats a bit blinkered.. but happy either way, just doesnt sit right.....

Indeed, it would be quite foolish to asset that only Earth hosts life - it does seem pretty unlikely.
 
As we approach the major christian festival of Christmas...

the amusing thing about Christmas is that its not Christian at all, however the churches might try to dress it up to be. When you see various figures of the clergy on TV spouting that people should "put christ back into christmas" he was never there in the first place.

December 25th was the date of the Roman festival of Sol Invictus, the birthday of the unconquered sun. The pagan festival was "christianized" while the traditions of giving gifts, partying, decorating an evergeen tree etc continued.

The bible doesnt mention the date of Jesus birth, but it does say that the shepherds were tending their flocks in the fields at night, which in Isreal and Palestine would not have been happening in December as its a cold and rainy month & the sheep are kept indoors.
 
The word religion is from the latin "religare". Religare essentially means "to bind back (to our roots)"

What is Religion?

The problem is not religion per se, but:

1. A narrow interpretation by "us" of the meaning of creation. For example, if you read the Book of Genesis and then read the equivalent book of genesis of the ancient religions of Sumeria, Mesopotamia and Egypt, you will see a far better description of the meaning of creation.

2. The imposition of cultural and political rules which override religious texts. For example, where in the Christian bible does it state that a person does not become a saint unless he/she is “beatified” or “canonized” by the Pope?

3. An excessive interest with end of times. :rolleyes:

4. A de-emphasis of the moral code in religious texts. For example, the 10 commandments in the Christian bible.
 
Jingle bells bb, :D

Scientists Confirm Extraterrestrial Genes in Human DNA


that website says our DNA is out of this world ??? weird to think earth is all lit up like a chrimbo tree and all the life on it are the decorations and when you think of it, it is a huge riot of weirdness of life forms...... I just need a few brewski's to get my head round it first..... well not really , I just enjoy a few brewski's invented by Monks I think :)

I think Fred Hoyle and Chandrawickramasinghe (sp) came up with the idea of Panspermia; the theory that basic amino acids exist everywhere in the universe, including dirty iceballs/comets, etc, and planets are seeded with these basic building blocks.

as per bbmacs opening post, the crucial component of science is the willingness to be tested, and proved, or discarded when better data comes along, unlike religion which tends to be proscriptive.

this openness clearly lead to the "whackos", but the notion of science being open to criticism renders most of these whacko ideas obsolete even before they gain a foothold.

nonetheless, celebrating Christmas, saturnalia or whatever, sure feels good, as per CBs cold beers. :D
If we celebrated easter, ramadan, and every other religions holiday, we might be more informed about the wider world, even if seen through a perpetual drunken haze.
:D
cheers!!
 
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