UK farmers - wealth & power

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Old Jun 26, 2007, 4:38pm   #8
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Hi The Blades,

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However, none of the vast subsidies he received were linked to the £8M he was sitting on.
Well, you don’t know that he received vast subsidies, do you? In any case, you simply declaim that he received vast subsidies and you’re telling us this because he was a farmer. Leaving aside the merits of subsidies for farmers, your friend is making his money – in this case, £8 million - as a Rentier, and not as farmer. Your friend would no doubt be pleased enough to abandon farming for good – bearing in mind that as a farmer he’d also be imbued with the sense of husbandry and have his family legacy to the fore of his thinking, assuming ‘this’ as his duty – and he’d no doubt be delighted to take his profits on the disposal of his farm in its entirety. But, then he’d surely have to pay a great deal of tax on those gains?

As you say, the stand on your own two feet sectors do not include people who work in the public sector, but perhaps they should? However, you won’t see any of this sort of stuff delivered by the socialists, IMO.

I really must dash!

HTH

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Old Jun 26, 2007, 7:06pm   #9
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Why shouldn't farmers be subject to economics like everyone else?

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Old Jun 26, 2007, 8:15pm   #10
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I'm quite sure who you have in mind, after all some forty percent of the population are dependent on transfer payments (subsidies if you must) of one kind or another? Bear in mind that "we" also need to employ armies of bureacratics to collect the taxes and administer these transfers between the various interested parties.

The least you can say about farmers is that they're able to produce food, unless that is they're being piad not to produce it (e.g. set aside) by our "friends" in EU. Incidently, Blair's conceded £3.5 billion to Chirac at last years EU summit just for the asking, and got absoluterly nothing in return. (I'm talkling about Thatcher's rebate, for the avoidance of doubt.)

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Old Jun 26, 2007, 10:36pm   #11
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Mayfly,

Please don’t mention the EU – there may be UK farmers watching this forum, and figure on growing olive groves.

Apparently, French farmers are a significant factor politically (don’t know the figures) in France (Chirac, etc).

A pig farmer couldn’t understand why his broker advised him to invest in gilts.

Ambridge? Carpet bombing is too good.


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Old Jun 27, 2007, 3:57pm   #13
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I found this amusing.................

NIGEL JOHNSON-HILL, PARK FARM, MILLAND, LIPHOOK GU3O 7JT

Rt Hon David Miliband MP
Secretary of State.
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA),
Nobel House
17 Smith Square
London SW1P 3JR

16 May 2007

Dear Secretary of State,

My friend, who is in farming at the moment, recently received a cheque for £3,000 from the Rural Payments Agency for not rearing pigs. I would now like to join the “not rearing pigs” business. In your opinion, what is the best kind of farm not to rear pigs on and which is the best breed of pigs not to rear? I want to be sure I approach this endeavour in keeping with all government policies, as dictated by the EU under the Common Agricultural Policy. I would prefer not to rear bacon pigs but if this is not the type you want not rearing, I will just as gladly not rear porkers. Are there any advantages in not rearing rare breeds such as Saddlebacks or Gloucester Old Spots or are there too many people already not rearing these?

As l see it, the hardest part of this programme will be keeping an accurate record of how many pigs I haven’t reared. Are there any Government or Local Authority courses on this?

My friend is very satisfied with this business. He has been rearing pigs for forty years or so and the best he ever made on them was £1,422 in l968. That is until this year, when he received a cheque for not rearing any.

If I get £3,000 for not rearing 50 pigs, will I get £6,000 for not rearing 100? I plan to operate on a small scale at first, holding myself down to about 4,000 pigs not raised, which will mean about £240,000 for the first year. As I become more expert in not rearing pigs, I plan to be more ambitious, perhaps increasing to, say, 40,000 pigs not reared in my second year, for which I should expect about £2.4 million from your department. Incidentally, I wonder if I would be eligible to receive tradable carbon credits for all these pigs not producing harmful and polluting methane gases?

Another point: These pigs that I plan not to rear will not eat 2,000 tonnes of cereals. I understand that you also pay farmers for not growing crops. Will I qualify for payments for not growing cereals to not feed the pigs I don’t rear?

I am also considering the “not milking cows” business, so please send any information you have on that too. Please could you also include the current Defra advice on set aside fields? Can this be done on an e-commerce basis with virtual fields (of which I seem to have several thousand hectares)?

In view of the above you will realise that I will be totally unemployed and will therefore qualify for unemployment benefits.

I shall of course be voting for your party at the next general election.

Yours faithfully,


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