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Old Sep 20, 2018, 12:24pm   #451
 
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No sense of proportionality. It's been 20-30 years in the making of political correctness to get to this stage, whodathunkit in the 1980's?

http://thefederalist.com/2018/09/11/...ulting-speech/
One more step on the road to our totalitarian state. What has the world come to when anybody can deem virtually anything as "offensive" – say goodbye to free speech! We already see it in the universities where young people go to supposedly develop their minds and what they get is "no-platforming" for any disagreeable view. John Stuart Mill definitely turning in his grave.

The politicians make the rules and leave the police to enforce them. Neither group is particularly bright.
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Socialist ideas used to dominate UK universities and state schools.
Now the right wing is fighting back.
The UK school curriculum needs amending. Too much time is spent on subjects like geography, philosophy, sociology etc. that are useless for getting a job. Interesting though but could all be put in a 1 hour lesson per week.
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 1:19pm   #453
 
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Socialist ideas used to dominate UK universities and state schools.
Now the right wing is fighting back.
The UK school curriculum needs amending. Too much time is spent on subjects like geography, philosophy, sociology etc. that are useless for getting a job. Interesting though but could all be put in a 1 hour lesson per week.
This is a confusing statement! Socialist ideas still dominate UK education, police, local councils, the justice system and various other institutions, it is socialist authoritarianism that implements a politically correct agenda, censorship and the curtailing of free speech and free expression. Just because a conservative government is implementing these ideas as much as a left wing government would shows just how close the main parties are now in their thinking, guided by the overarching EU of course. They don't represent the majority of people, unfortunately they are the minority rulers that the majority are expected to bow to. Real conservatism (centre-right) wouldn't be engaging in such authoritarianism to the same extent.

Which is why we are seeing revolts all over the place, especially across the EU. The UK doesn't yet have an answer to this as some of the European countries have, other than Brexit. Brexit is just the beginning of change in our democratic system, the more authoritarian they become, the more change will happen.

What is fascinating in relation to the youth, is that the EU are voting through Article 13 which will, if enacted, impose censorship and cost on the use of memes and article links, thereby cutting off a major stream of social interaction for those fully subscribed to the use of technology for social means (mostly the young) and yet they apparently (in the UK at least) would be sat there arguing for the EU and presumably their own censorship, the unwise leading the blind springs to mind, ruining it for the rest of us!

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Old Sep 20, 2018, 1:38pm   #454
 
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One more step on the road to our totalitarian state. What has the world come to when anybody can deem virtually anything as "offensive" – say goodbye to free speech! We already see it in the universities where young people go to supposedly develop their minds and what they get is "no-platforming" for any disagreeable view. John Stuart Mill definitely turning in his grave.

The politicians make the rules and leave the police to enforce them. Neither group is particularly bright.
And universities used to be the bedrock of political debate regardless of political leaning, teaching students valuable life skills in reasoning, research and argument.

It is most likely the extreme left ideas of marxism/communism that have taken hold in the education system, just as they have done with Labour. The Tories have adopted many of the same ideas as they have seen fit to make use of any excuse to shutdown dissent. In particular conservatives and democrat/socialists in the UK and the US were very upset when Wikileaks started publishing state secrets as it exposed many nefarious activities across a range of subjects including the international banking system, offshore accounts, mass surveillance of ordinary citizens, deals over the Middle East, Russian collusion (the real DNC one, not the fake Trump one) etc etc.

The UK debacle over Julian Assange only highlights what a legal tangle the UK/US deep state have got themselves into, the rule of law doesn't apply there at all. And then they have taken the PC excuses and Assange clampdown to use against the rest of us where dissent arises. They lost control of the internet and have gone for social media platforms that are all run by socialists.

I suspect what will happen is that the social media aspects will move underground, more into the 'dark web' just to be heard, then they will go after that, restrict encryption and networks and so on. Just a continuation of the Pirate Bay days of the noughties, it spread like wildfire once it was shutdown.

I'm not sure how these governments think they can control civilisation without disrupting Western values to the point where no-one cares any longer and a more authoritarian force begins to take over.

The alternative will be for people to vote in more centrist governments again, old school centrists with common sense, the centrists that are smeared by the deep state media, and of course to achieve that requires dissenting voices to be heard - it's a merry go round.

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Old Sep 20, 2018, 4:34pm   #455
 
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No sense of proportionality. It's been 20-30 years in the making of political correctness to get to this stage, whodathunkit in the 1980's?

http://thefederalist.com/2018/09/11/...ulting-speech/
It gets almost unbelievably worse

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/0...-have-penises/

"Today, the NUS announced its response to the government’s consultation on changes to the Gender Recognition Act. Among the NUS’s more barmy proposals was calling for an end to ‘coercively assigning gender at birth’. Is it a boy? Is it a girl? In future, it seems we might have to wait to ask the child itself when it grows up."

Gender Recognition Act? What do ordinary people make of all this - or even care?

Trades are doing ok – I must go and eat some of Atilla's walnuts and have a quiet lie down - perhaps it will all go away?
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It gets almost unbelievably worse

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/0...-have-penises/

"Today, the NUS announced its response to the government’s consultation on changes to the Gender Recognition Act. Among the NUS’s more barmy proposals was calling for an end to ‘coercively assigning gender at birth’. Is it a boy? Is it a girl? In future, it seems we might have to wait to ask the child itself when it grows up."

Gender Recognition Act? What do ordinary people make of all this - or even care?

Trades are doing ok – I must go and eat some of Atilla's walnuts and have a quiet lie down - perhaps it will all go away?

Sensationalising some odd ball news dug out for titiliaiton.

Really SuperMC you must be sooo bored what to do with your free time.


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Right on cue

Internet regulator considered for UK http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45590297
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Old Sep 21, 2018, 9:02am   #458
 
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It gets almost unbelievably worse

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/0...-have-penises/

"Today, the NUS announced its response to the government’s consultation on changes to the Gender Recognition Act. Among the NUS’s more barmy proposals was calling for an end to ‘coercively assigning gender at birth’. Is it a boy? Is it a girl? In future, it seems we might have to wait to ask the child itself when it grows up."

Gender Recognition Act? What do ordinary people make of all this - or even care?

Trades are doing ok – I must go and eat some of Atilla's walnuts and have a quiet lie down - perhaps it will all go away?
On the one hand, I find it wierd and unrecognisable, what makes supposedly sane adults, especially those in charge believe that children have any control of their own minds to be able to distinguish themselves enough until they reach an age when they can. And why do the powers that be see fit to put rapists that subsequently go through gender reassignment at tax payers expense into womens prisons, only for them to to commit rape again?

Was there anything wrong with what we had a few years ago, people were free to choose a medical outcome or get treatment before, what has changed? Is this the minority tail wagging the majority dog again? Of course it is!

What has changed is that social constructs have overtaken reason and logic, science and nature, same with the womens rights agenda, In the case of womens rights, it's based on the make believe patriarchy rather than a cold hard look at the scientific data and reasoned truth from that data, it shouldn't be contrived by think tanks, the media and governments all with their own agendas.

I find it uncomfortable and worrying that the same social constructs have infected our institutions, especially the police and judiciary, Common Purpose as an indoctrinating entity is doing a very good job of implementing this particular agenda.

Some of my older friends that are gay, who were part of the push for gay rights from the 80's onwards can't quite understand what is happening with the younger generation of gays, they don't see what struggle they are fighting for anymore, all the equal rights have been won and are enshrined in law. To a large extent it looks like a generational protest for things that don't exist or looking for an excuse to protest using transgender, children and women as an excuse.

We are all doomed again when the next generation dream-up something even stranger to protest about (and manage to get it into law).
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Its a strange world we live in. Lots of people are very animated that there should be equality not just of opportunity but of outcome. There is so much faith embedded now in irrational stuff like numerically proportionate representation. If there are serious problems, and its a fair question whether they really are serious, that's not the way to deal with them, just a good way to look like you're dealing with them.
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It gets almost unbelievably worse

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/0...-have-penises/

"Today, the NUS announced its response to the government’s consultation on changes to the Gender Recognition Act. Among the NUS’s more barmy proposals was calling for an end to ‘coercively assigning gender at birth’. Is it a boy? Is it a girl? In future, it seems we might have to wait to ask the child itself when it grows up."

Gender Recognition Act? What do ordinary people make of all this - or even care?

Trades are doing ok – I must go and eat some of Atilla's walnuts and have a quiet lie down - perhaps it will all go away?
The first 20 mins of this video helps me to understand the source for these kinds of things, it's a global phenomenon in the Westernised world.

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The world is full of unconventional people. Some are brave enough to be overt and obvious but mostly people are ashamed of their different preferences and suppress it. Or maybe act it out behind their own closed doors or specialist clubs, things like transvestism, Nazi outfits like Max M…....etc.

I am not sure what happened recently to the boy that insisted on going to school in a skirt. Was he moved to an all girls school or a co-ed. I don't know.
Or the young man calling himself Tara at a male prison. I seem to remember he was transfered to a woman's prison. Was he operated on first ? I don't know.

Yes it is a strange world and the authorities have a hard time coping with the misfits. Harmless most of them are but some like the jihadi fanatics are definately very dangerous. Can the average state put this bunch away in prison or as in many 3rd world countries it is too late. They control the country.

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The world is full of unconventional people. Some are brave enough to be overt and obvious but mostly people are ashamed of their different preferences and suppress it. Or maybe act it out behind their own closed doors or specialist clubs, things like transvestism, Nazi outfits like Max M…....etc.

I am not sure what happened recently to the boy that insisted on going to school in a skirt. Was he moved to an all girls school or a co-ed. I don't know.
Or the young man calling himself Tara at a male prison. I seem to remember he was transfered to a woman's prison. Was he operated on first ? I don't know.

Yes it is a strange world and the authorities have a hard time coping with the misfits. Harmless most of them are but some like the jihadi fanatics are definately very dangerous. Can the average state put this bunch away in prison or as in many 3rd world countries it is too late. They control the country.

Any thoughts ?
It's difficult to put faith into a leadership that routinely covers-up child abuse, rape gangs, police corruption and collusion with local authorities, has no control over illegal immigration, convicted terrorists, returning jihadists or enforcing the rule of law at home whilst telling us they are enforcing a global world order abroad. Introducing censorship into the online world just makes it worse because of the erosion of free speech and the ability to question our illustrious leaders and the direction of travel they are attempting to force on our society.

They seem to just pick the low hanging fruit and deal with secondary problems rather than the primary problems. The primary problems need some difficult talking and truth telling to deal with, MPs can't cope with that, snowflakes spring to mind (hence they have setup their own counselling services to deal with the complexities of modern society). Is it a coincidence that the numbers of females and minority representation has increased in parliament alongside this snowflaking, I'm not sure if I could draw a conclusion from that, but it is very coincidental.

On the surface LGBT+ rights pale in comparison with some of the institutional problems we currently face, although if the left wing control our educational institutions then the next generation of youngsters will be even more indoctrinated than they are now.

The problems are far too complex for simpleton MPs to deal with, we need non-partisan groups to talk openly and freely about these problems and the ways to tackle them, it doesn't look like that is going to happen anytime soon, if ever, it is going to take a lot of British minds to be changed to start voting away from the main parties on a range of difficult issues, just look at the effect of Brexit!
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It's difficult to put faith into a leadership that routinely covers-up child abuse, rape gangs, police corruption and collusion with local authorities, has no control over illegal immigration, convicted terrorists, returning jihadists or enforcing the rule of law at home whilst telling us they are enforcing a global world order abroad. Introducing censorship into the online world just makes it worse because of the erosion of free speech and the ability to question our illustrious leaders and the direction of travel they are attempting to force on our society.

They seem to just pick the low hanging fruit and deal with secondary problems rather than the primary problems. The primary problems need some difficult talking and truth telling to deal with, MPs can't cope with that, snowflakes spring to mind (hence they have setup their own counselling services to deal with the complexities of modern society). Is it a coincidence that the numbers of females and minority representation has increased in parliament alongside this snowflaking, I'm not sure if I could draw a conclusion from that, but it is very coincidental.

On the surface LGBT+ rights pale in comparison with some of the institutional problems we currently face, although if the left wing control our educational institutions then the next generation of youngsters will be even more indoctrinated than they are now.

The problems are far too complex for simpleton MPs to deal with, we need non-partisan groups to talk openly and freely about these problems and the ways to tackle them, it doesn't look like that is going to happen anytime soon, if ever, it is going to take a lot of British minds to be changed to start voting away from the main parties on a range of difficult issues, just look at the effect of Brexit!
Wow, ROUTINELY covers up child abuse, rape, corruption etc etc

You really do have such a low opinion of this country and it’s officialdom that one wonders why on earth you live here.
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Wow, ROUTINELY covers up child abuse, rape, corruption etc etc
I hear the shock fellow countryman, shocking isn't it?

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You really do have such a low opinion of this country and it’s officialdom that one wonders why on earth you live here.
Unlike others that might abandon one's country, I am patriotic and will stick by to help to make it the place it used to be (unless it get's to the point where it is a lost cause ).
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Unlike others that might abandon one's country, I am patriotic and will stick by to help to make it the place it used to be (unless it get's to the point where it is a lost cause ).
The place it used to be? When they used to send little boys up chimneys, and work people in factories to the bone for a pittance, and ignore basic hygiene for the masses, and allow only those who could afford it get medical help, and hang youngsters for stealing a loaf of bread, and slinging people in festering prisons for owing a few bob etc, etc, etc.

As good as it used to be, be thankful for progress dear sir.
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