Brexit and the Consequences

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Old Nov 11, 2017, 6:57pm   #4257
 
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...........Before we criticise tax avoiders for not gifting money to HMRC, maybe we should look ar our own financial affairs and cancel our ISA's, as they are also a tax avoidance scheme, and remember back to all the tax allowances we've benefitted from abd pay them back, and root our our Wills and ask ourselves if we couldn't leave the NHS a little cash?

But I think we should be free from being accused of having funny morals if we don't..........
The law requires that we pay a set proportion of our income as tax, save for the allowances and financial arrangements like ISAs approved by government. So we all know what is intended by the law. Or, if you like, what is right and what is our moral obligation.

If we then circumvent that intention in some way and can get away with it because what we are doing is not specifically denied under the law (a loophole) then we might be legally legitimate but not morally since we know we are circumventing what is intended by the law and thus our moral obligation.
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The law requires that we pay a set proportion of our income as tax, save for the allowances and financial arrangements like ISAs approved by government. So we all know what is intended by the law. Or, if you like, what is right and what is our moral obligation.

If we then circumvent that intention in some way and can get away with it because what we are doing is not specifically denied under the law (a loophole) then we might be legally legitimate but not morally since we know we are circumventing what is intended by the law and thus our moral obligation.

These loopholes have been common knowledge for decades so we have to presume it is not the will of Parliament to seal them.

It is not down to the individual to imagine up an obligation that might or might not have been in the minds of MP's and Lords when a certain law was passed. It is for the individual to obey the letter of the law.

The courts have the power to enforce the spirit of a law, up to a point, but that relies on a case being brought before them. I say the government should bring these people to the courts, or keep their traps shut.
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Old Nov 11, 2017, 7:11pm   #4259
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It's good that you find humor in this situation. You'll need it as the months drag on.
You won't be surprised to learn dbp that I take the polar opposite view. The impossible negotiating position that the EU is in is plain for all to see and the cracks are starting to show. Look no further than Barnier's absurd and meaningless two week deadline. Big mistake. Massive. Huge. Oh, and funny too!
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Old Nov 11, 2017, 7:31pm   #4260
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You won't be surprised to learn dbp that I take the polar opposite view. The impossible negotiating position that the EU is in is plain for all to see and the cracks are starting to show. Look no further than Barnier's absurd and meaningless two week deadline. Big mistake. Massive. Huge. Oh, and funny too!
Hopefully the UK will stick to the guns and tell them to f...off
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Old Nov 11, 2017, 8:14pm   #4261
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Hopefully the UK will stick to the guns and tell them to f...off
The Govt position has been stated previously. We will not commit to any payments to the EU until everything is agreed.

Barnier is adopting a completely stupid position by setting any deadlines for agreed payments ahead of settling everything else in the round. So in that regard, he can indeed go swivel.

The NHS is in crisis because funding has not kept pace with numbers using the service. The NHS wastes money by offering treatment to foreigners, who are supposed to pay the bill once treatment is complete. A good number of health tourists skip out after having used the service.
The Govt cannot fund the NHS to the desired level because the contributions from unskilled workers, inc migrant labour, are negligible. In fact, there is a very large demographic who are not paying sufficient in to the system and yet they have no qualms whatsoever about using up service provision. Lets not even get started on income top up and housing benefits.

All of this spending is supposed to come from taxes collected. Not enough of it does of course, they simply print more money to balance the books. Except the books never get balanced and the debt just keeps on rising.

Remoaners have been giving it all away for donkeys years. Talk about "wasters of other people's money"! Yet they are the first to complain when services are not available to them. Well, ya can't have it both ways!
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The remaining 11 trade ministers of the Trans-Pacific Partnership approved a trade agreement, which each country still needs to sign and ratify. The group was renamed the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership after U.S. President Donald Trump pulled out of the world economic order.


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You won't be surprised to learn dbp that I take the polar opposite view. The impossible negotiating position that the EU is in is plain for all to see and the cracks are starting to show. Look no further than Barnier's absurd and meaningless two week deadline. Big mistake. Massive. Huge. Oh, and funny too!
You would have thought that by now, the EU apparatchiks would have realised that once again they are dealing with the Brits who, if true to form will do everything in their power to stop themselves being done down unless undermined by Quisling politicians.

With UK leaving, the EU has a big (financial) problem and like all good socialists their only solution to fill the black hole (in addition to the printing press) is to extract more money from their constituency. Unfortunately there is a flaw in this cunning plan and the sooner they get to admit it the better. I have every expectation that de-radicalised ex-Remainer May is prepared to cough up a lot more of our money but even she, surely can't give in to the lackey-boy Barnier's ridiculous stance.
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So I may judge your morals and weigh mine, what car do you drive Tomorton?
Let me guess. You don't drive a car as a rule. Perhaps you use the train or ride a bike in the vain hope that this somehow makes you morally superior

Anyone moralising from the degenerate capital of the UK, should be ignored.
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