Brexit and the Consequences

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Old Nov 10, 2017, 11:32am   #4217
 
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I think if the more enlightened people at the EU in Brussels/Luxemburg would enlarge the EU to encompass their trading partners without all the political/legal crap many in Britain for one would like to stay. As it is with some Germans tightening the noose ( Hitker's Dream ) there are others who have exit parties and the whole shebang could collapse and should collapse.
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Old Nov 10, 2017, 2:15pm   #4218
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The EU is a route, not a destination. The objective is political unification of Europe. So economic problems and failures along the way are not critical issues and are wide of the mark as targets for critics. Do not think that if the EU and/or the Euro collapse, the federal Europe project ends.
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Old Nov 10, 2017, 3:20pm   #4219
 
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The EU is a route, not a destination. The objective is political unification of Europe. So economic problems and failures along the way are not critical issues and are wide of the mark as targets for critics. Do not think that if the EU and/or the Euro collapse, the federal Europe project ends.
Spot on! As with so many political projects, economic common sense/the will of the people/welfare of individuals are sacrificed on the altar of Politics. Hopefully the EU will never sink to the depths of communism and its far right counterparts; but the tendencies are there – witness the EU's response to events in Spain. The EU will teeter on despite any economic setbacks, and like any flawed system it will eventually fail.
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Old Nov 10, 2017, 4:11pm   #4220
 
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The EU is a route, not a destination. The objective is political unification of Europe. So economic problems and failures along the way are not critical issues and are wide of the mark as targets for critics. Do not think that if the EU and/or the Euro collapse, the federal Europe project ends.
So whose project is this, then? Some powerful Dr No type mastermind? A secret agreement between major nations ? Unwritten Government policies? Or just a bit of wishful thinking by a few bureaucrats?
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Old Nov 10, 2017, 6:13pm   #4221
 
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Negotiations – What Negotiations?

Here's an insider's account of current "negotiations". He is a Conservative MP currently serving on the Exiting the European Union Select Committee. So you can make your own mind up about his bias!

http://brexitcentral.com/meeting-mic...l-better-deal/

If that is the case, then we may well be wasting our time doing much more talking.
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Old Nov 10, 2017, 6:35pm   #4222
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Here's an insider's account of current "negotiations". He is a Conservative MP currently serving on the Exiting the European Union Select Committee. So you can make your own mind up about his bias!

http://brexitcentral.com/meeting-mic...l-better-deal/

If that is the case, then we may well be wasting our time doing much more talking.
with them asking for a number that we feel should be paid and that 20bln isn't enough and they can't give us a number they believe we should pay, pretty much sums it up. Try this tactic at a business negotiation table and you will be sitting without a deal until you die.
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...study-research

Nearly 1 Billion a week to be a member of the EU.

I'm sure they need us more than we need them.

Just for good measure, mass unskilled immigration costs the UK 30 Billion annually.

http://globalbritain.co.uk/wp-conten...2.17-Final.pdf
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Remoaners have been sold a pup and they know it, but are frankly to entrenched in their indoctrination to believe otherwise. I expect there's also a great deal of embarrassment in the ranks. It's hard to admit when wrong I suppose.
Anyways, it's never too late to get on the right side
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