Brexit and the Consequences

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Old Oct 21, 2017, 6:56pm   #4025
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More like under Germany's control. When Merkel goes all sorts of people will appear out of the mist vying for power imho

I daren't post anything more going back over Germany's appalling expansionist foreign policy in Europe. It remains to be seen if this was a prior historical era. Or we're still in it.
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More like under Germany's control. When Merkel goes all sorts of people will appear out of the mist vying for power imho
The Third Reich was the same general idea, though one likes to ascribe higher motives to the concept of nations that are freely united.
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Adolph must be having a good laugh. Germany controlling an increasingly centralised Europe without a shot being fired and the UK being punished for daring to leave.
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Adolph must be having a good laugh. Germany controlling an increasingly centralised Europe without a shot being fired and the UK being punished for daring to leave.
Clearly they learned something after having been occupied for more than 40 years.
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There were few scientists as we understand the term during the pre-Renaissance era. The people who declared the world flat were the Church. You will find a mass of flat-earthers based in the US, who are similarly religiously driven.

The pre-Renaissance scientists were certainly different and although they were called "philosophers" they did mostly believe in a flat Earth until Pythagoras put them right in 6 BC. Despite later religious belief to the contrary, the early Christian church did in fact believe in a spherical earth. All of which of course just goes to show how inconsistent experts can be.

I've always thought that the good thing about experts is that you can always find one to support the view that you believe in. Unfortunately, unless you are an expert yourself in the chosen field then you have little choice but to accept what the experts say. It brings to mind medical opinion on smoking during the period 1920s to 1950s – especially in the USA – where the profession approved & even encouraged it while participating in tobacco company advertising.

So that's why I have a healthy disrespect for experts!
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The general idea is not much different from Maria Theresa's in the 18th century, that if the constituents are federated in some way, e.g., family, they will be less likely to war with each other. This was allegedly the idea behind the United States, the League of Nations, the United Nations, etc. Despots are well-served by cries of sovereignty and the fracturing of alliances. We've been through this again and again, and yet we are eager to go through it again.

The human race suffers from a severe learning disability.
It's biologically hard-wired in.
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The pre-Renaissance scientists were certainly different and although they were called "philosophers" they did mostly believe in a flat Earth until Pythagoras put them right in 6 BC. Despite later religious belief to the contrary, the early Christian church did in fact believe in a spherical earth. All of which of course just goes to show how inconsistent experts can be.

I've always thought that the good thing about experts is that you can always find one to support the view that you believe in. Unfortunately, unless you are an expert yourself in the chosen field then you have little choice but to accept what the experts say. It brings to mind medical opinion on smoking during the period 1920s to 1950s – especially in the USA – where the profession approved & even encouraged it while participating in tobacco company advertising.

So that's why I have a healthy disrespect for experts!
Which is why the scientific method is so important: observe, hypothesize, test, analyze the data and so on. One needn't be an expert in order to understand that gravity is a given. Belief is one thing. Verifiable and replicable data are another.

As for smoking and lung cancer, beware of hindsight bias. It wasn't until the 50s that the link between the two became a concern. Otherwise, people knew in the 18th century that smoking wasn't "good for you". Nor was alcohol.
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