Brexit and the Consequences

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Old Jul 29, 2018, 10:55pm   #6556
 
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How do remoaners explain that list. I'm all ears
CV matey. I've explained that list.

Most of it were inaccurate and quite the opposite in reality.

Most of the referendum related to treaties and amendments and subsequent acceptance post amendments.

It was also about the EU atttempting to be more democratic trying to get acceptance by all 27 members. No mean feat.


Mike confirmed he hadn't a clue or checked for accuracy of his post and thought it was a good laugh.


You come out with what exactly. No tut tut tuts. No comment on your idol JRM twisting the news.


All ears are you? Thought as much. Happy bunny I'm sure you are. Enjoy bopping around the place whilst it lasts.


It is increasingly becoming clear that there is nothing in the tank from Brexiteers other than laughing, mocking and much indulgence about remoaners which is really ironic.


When it does come to an election I feel the public will soon realise Eurosceptics in the Tory party don't really belong there and much like UKIP will become rabble rousing unmanageable wannabees making lots of noise and delivering FA.

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CV matey. I've explained that list.

Most of it were inaccurate and quite the opposite in reality.

Most of the referendum related to treaties and amendments and subsequent acceptance post amendments.

It was also about the EU atttempting to be more democratic trying to get acceptance by all 27 members. No mean feat.


Mike confirmed he hadn't a clue or checked for accuracy of his post and thought it was a good laugh.


You come out with what exactly. No tut tut tuts. No comment on your idol JRM twisting the news.


All ears are you? Thought as much. Happy bunny I'm sure you are. Enjoy bopping around the place whilst it lasts.


It is increasingly becoming clear that there is nothing in the tank from Brexiteers other than laughing, mocking and much indulgence about remoaners which is really ironic.


When it does come to an election I feel the public will soon realise Eurosceptics in the Tory party don't really belong there and much like UKIP will become rabble rousing unmanageable wannabees making lots of noise and delivering FA.

You don't fool me with your unfactual essays

The EU got acceptance from the 27 by abolishing the member state veto system. That's what happened....so much for your democracy line.
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Old Jul 29, 2018, 11:46pm   #6558
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I think it was in One of the treaties...can't remember which One, it was some time ago.

The commission wants more democracy going forward by abolishing more veto powers.

You couldn't make this sh1t up !

https://euobserver.com/institutional/139630
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Verhofstadt has stated many times in his speeches in the EU parliament that he seeks a federated states of Europe, it's no secret, it's been the political plan all along.

None of them anticipated the disaster that Brexit would hold for the EU project, the UK was one of it's strongest pillars under previous leaders (John Major, Tony Bliar, Brown, then Cameron gave it away)

Panic at the disco, all the major players are jigging trying to keep it on track, whilst secretly they probably know it can't happen yet, not now the Eastern bloc and Italy are out of it, UK to go is the disaster waiting to happen to their political project, with Sweden next on the list.

The more the EU disaster approaches, the more irrational remainers get, more angry, just having a laugh a the latest project fear is enough to tell you how desperate they all are.
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just having a laugh a the latest project fear is enough to tell you how desperate they all are.
Do you use Twitter Sc ? the sheer amount of rubbish fake news remain side is spouting out is unprecedented , Even head of ch4 news has been tweeting that uk has no insulin manufacturers and there will be a shortage after brexit, only to be proved wrong... and dont mention the food stockpiling thats going on now with the army on standby, Then you have all these bed wetters sucking it up like a dyson on steroids..Total entertainment
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Do you use Twitter Sc ? the sheer amount of rubbish fake news remain side is spouting out is unprecedented , Even head of ch4 news has been tweeting that uk has no insulin manufacturers and there will be a shortage after brexit, only to be proved wrong... and dont mention the food stockpiling thats going on now with the army on standby, Then you have all these bed wetters sucking it up like a dyson on steroids..Total entertainment
Brexit Bingo!

Brexit will cause....drumroll...spin wheel....gonorrhea pandemic
Brexit will cause....drumroll...spin wheel....sandwich shortage
Brexit will cause....drumroll...spin wheel....Bloomberg to relocate to Luxemburger

OK the last one might be fake news, but everything else is true
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Verhofstadt has stated many times in his speeches in the EU parliament that he seeks a federated states of Europe, it's no secret, it's been the political plan all along.

None of them anticipated the disaster that Brexit would hold for the EU project, the UK was one of it's strongest pillars under previous leaders (John Major, Tony Bliar, Brown, then Cameron gave it away)

Panic at the disco, all the major players are jigging trying to keep it on track, whilst secretly they probably know it can't happen yet, not now the Eastern bloc and Italy are out of it, UK to go is the disaster waiting to happen to their political project, with Sweden next on the list.

The more the EU disaster approaches, the more irrational remainers get, more angry, just having a laugh a the latest project fear is enough to tell you how desperate they all are.
As the saying goes.

There are none so blind as those who will cannot see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know.
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I think it was in One of the treaties...can't remember which One, it was some time ago.

The commission wants more democracy going forward by abolishing more veto powers.

You couldn't make this sh1t up !

https://euobserver.com/institutional/139630
Power wats more power. It's happening in UK Parliament right now. Commons wants to abolish Lords. Its the same difference.

Our biggest enemy is global business. Amazon, Facebook, Google etc are our biggest worries because they are eliminating the competition without the need of vetos.
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Power wats more power. It's happening in UK Parliament right now. Commons wants to abolish Lords. Its the same difference.

Our biggest enemy is global business. Amazon, Facebook, Google etc are our biggest worries because they are eliminating the competition without the need of vetos.
Shopping on the internet is here to stay. It is so convenient.
To compete there should be mini Amazons etc.specialising in one small field but doing it better than the big boys. Even selling direct from the farm.
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Power wats more power. It's happening in UK Parliament right now. Commons wants to abolish Lords. Its the same difference.

Our biggest enemy is global business. Amazon, Facebook, Google etc are our biggest worries because they are eliminating the competition without the need of vetos.
Whilst simultaneously spying on everyone that uses their services.
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Shopping on the internet is here to stay. It is so convenient.
To compete there should be mini Amazons etc.specialising in one small field but doing it better than the big boys. Even selling direct from the farm.
Not going to happen, they constitute one big spying machine, there is no way national governments are going to allow the demise of such a cheap information gathering resource.
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Not going to happen, they constitute one big spying machine, there is no way national governments are going to allow the demise of such a cheap information gathering resource.
Besides, bigger gets bigger. They are, probably, buying up the small farms.

The big outfits have been allowed to get bigger in the name of free enterprise and democracy. We have serious problems with big business and politics in the mix.
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For anyone who's interested. This young lad, who has his head screwed on, is in a spot of bother. He's got no money but needs to defend himself from the remain state machine. So instead of allowing the state to make an example of him, perhaps the tables should be turned and make an example of the state.
Thanks c_v for the link.

I made a small contribution towards Darren Grimes' appeal and forwarded the link to a handful of people in my address book. One of them being my brother who lives in Canada and, while he takes some interest in UK affairs, doesn't involve himself to the extent that we all do on this thread. He replied saying that - having read the links - he cant quite get his head around what the case is all about. So, in my reply, I attempted to outline the key points as I understand them. I've copied what I wrote to him below because, for the reasons given, I think it's important that everyone supports Darren Grimes' appeal - regardless of which side of the Brexit debate one is on.

. . . Here’s my take on what the story with Darren Grimes and the Electoral Commission is all about . . .

The Electoral Commission (EC) is supposed to be an independent body which oversees elections and regulates political finance in the UK. Its role is to promote public confidence in the democratic process and to ensure its integrity. (Note emphasis.) It’s right at the heart of our democracy. If we start to lose faith in its ability to act fairly and objectively, then the country is up poo creek in a barbed wire boat without a paddle. I don’t (yet) know whether they’ve acted in an unfair and biased way as Darren Grimes claims, but the available evidence suggests that they might have and, certainly, there’s no smoke without fire.

I’ll do my best to summarize the story to date. At the time of the EU referendum in June 2016, Darren Grimes was a 22 year old art student who wanted to do something to get people of his generation engaged in politics. (Relatively few young people voted in the referendum, although they moaned like hell afterwards at the result.) He set up a campaign group called ‘BeLeave’ to promote exiting the EU. He attracted funding and, to the best of my knowledge, was meticulous about how he spent the money - i.e. it all went to further his political objective - and not into his back pocket to be spent in the boozer with his mates! To comply with the rules and regulations regarding spending by political organisations on elections and referendums, he submitted the necessary paperwork to the EC. However, it appears he made an error and, on one of the EC forms, either failed to tick a box (that he should have) or ticked the wrong box. As a result of his mistake, he breached their spending regulations and, consequently, was given a maximum fine of £20k and been referred to the Police. If the Police decide his mistake was not an honest error but, in fact, a deliberate attempt to mislead the EC, then he could face criminal prosecution and possible jail.

Now, supporters of the EC are saying that they are just doing their job and that it’s right and proper that they hand out the maximum penalty to anyone found in breach of their rules. In principle, I agree with this. So, what then is the problem? The problem is that the EC does not appear to be acting in a fair and even-handed way. I’ve emphasised ‘appear’ as perception is everything these days. How something looks (appears) is as important – if not more important – that how it actually is. The main evidence to support this claim is that (so far) the EC are refusing to investigate the government’s own expenses which exceeded the maximum limit by many millions. They (i.e. David Cameron’s government) leafleted every household in the land instructing everyone to vote remain, at a cost to the taxpayer of circa £9 million. On top of that, senior members of the EC are known to be supporters of the remain campaign and are unhappy at the prospect of Brexit. Put the two together, and there’s more than a whiff of a rat!

On the face of it, it appears (there’s that word again!) that the only real mistake that Darren Grimes made was to set up his political campaign group in support of the leave camp rather than the remain camp. Had he backed remain, the suspicion is that he wouldn’t have been investigated by the EC and he wouldn’t now be up to his neck in a quagmire of brown sticky stuff. And that’s why I think it’s important to support him in his appeal to challenge the EC verdict. That said, I hope he loses. Yes, you read that right: for if he wins then, as I said at the outset, it means that we can’t trust the EC to act fairly and impartially. It will not be fulfilling its role to promote public confidence in the democratic process and to ensure its integrity. IMO, that would completely undermine the bedrock of democracy upon which the country rests. And that’s a very serious and frightening prospect indeed.
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