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Old Feb 22, 2016, 12:22pm   #61
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The in out vote is fast turning into a celebrity show without the facts and arguments on pro/con advantages and disadvantages.

That's politics for you!
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Old Feb 22, 2016, 2:31pm   #62
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No - just that without a large number of foreign/immigrant workers it would.
But that has little to do with Brexit. When I lived in the UK, up until the early sixties, the NHS, bus services, all depended on foreign labour. In those days, Indians, Pakistanis, Jamaicans, but it was controlled better.
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Old Feb 22, 2016, 3:08pm   #63
 
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But that has little to do with Brexit. When I lived in the UK, up until the early sixties, the NHS, bus services, all depended on foreign labour. In those days, Indians, Pakistanis, Jamaicans, but it was controlled better.
No, it hasn't. That was the point of the post.
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Old Feb 22, 2016, 3:33pm   #64
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But being in the EU does raise the problem of having uncontrolled foreigners coming in. Even if you stay in, but with certain restrictions on immigrants, as soon as they get legalised in the EU, they will be able to enter the UK as EU citizens.

Neverthesless, apart from that, it seems to me that a referendum will result in a Brexit and it is, probably, the best for the rest of us in the long run because the Brits, in general, are always moaning about themselves.

Sorry, guys, but it needs to be said. You are not good EU members.

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Old Feb 22, 2016, 5:50pm   #65
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what on earth does political union have to do with immigration?

nobody is against immigration or migrant workers. What people are against is unrestricted and unchecked immigration.

The system we have now is just to open the door and allow anyone to come in to the UK whether they are qualified nurses or not, whether we need them here or not, whether they are criminals or not, whether they are qualified or useful in any way or not.

Better that we have a visa system just like most other countries do, and allow in as many migrant workers as we feel we need at any time. if we want 10,000 nurses then we issue 10,000 visas for nurses. Not complicated. Under a visa system we get the numbers we need, and we get the people with the skills we need, and lastly, it means that we can take migrants from all over the world and not just from the EU. So instead of the unemployed/unemployable Portuguese or Greeks, we can have qualified nurses from Asia, or anywhere else.

how do you not understand this?
Or........you could limit the immigration and raise the wages of nurses. Creating a greater supply of nurses. If you have a policy of guest workers to fill vacancies you are not investing in your nation. The guest workers leave , creating vacancies again.....and taking their experience with them.
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Old Feb 22, 2016, 6:12pm   #66
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what on earth does political union have to do with immigration?

nobody is against immigration or migrant workers. What people are against is unrestricted and unchecked immigration.

The system we have now is just to open the door and allow anyone to come in to the UK whether they are qualified nurses or not, whether we need them here or not, whether they are criminals or not, whether they are qualified or useful in any way or not.

Better that we have a visa system just like most other countries do, and allow in as many migrant workers as we feel we need at any time. if we want 10,000 nurses then we issue 10,000 visas for nurses. Not complicated. Under a visa system we get the numbers we need, and we get the people with the skills we need, and lastly, it means that we can take migrants from all over the world and not just from the EU. So instead of the unemployed/unemployable Portuguese or Greeks, we can have qualified nurses from Asia, or anywhere else.

how do you not understand this?
A visa system is fine, if you do not have poverty stricken neighbours. The EU has and the UK can thank its lucky stars that it is an island, otherwise there would be no stopping them. Ask an American whether visas are much good against Mexicans.
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Old Feb 22, 2016, 6:44pm   #67
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A visa system is fine, if you do not have poverty stricken neighbours. The EU has and the UK can thank its lucky stars that it is an island, otherwise there would be no stopping them. Ask an American whether visas are much good against Mexicans.
Lucky stars - I think not. Europeans have been flocking here since the credit crunch. As more disaster countries joined, more came. It's too late for a visa system
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Old Feb 22, 2016, 7:01pm   #68
 
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Pat494 started this thread Why not England out and Scotland in ?
We could put tariffs on their whiskey etc. as it passes through. They would just love to do that to us if they could. We could get rid of all those stupid rules Brussells like to churn out and no need to pay for useless EU Parliaments ( yes both of them )
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But being in the EU does raise the problem of having uncontrolled foreigners coming in. Even if you stay in, but with certain restrictions on immigrants, as soon as they get legalised in the EU, they will be able to enter the UK as EU citizens.

Neverthesless, apart from that, it seems to me that a referendum will result in a Brexit and it is, probably, the best for the rest of us in the long run because the Brits, in general, are always moaning about themselves.

Sorry, guys, but it needs to be said. You are not good EU members.
Split, seriously, the EU in it's present format is a complete bag of poop and the enlightened know it.

The trouble with us Brits is.....we will only put up with nonsense for so long.....then when we've had enough....we kick ass !
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Old Feb 23, 2016, 5:56am   #70
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Split, seriously, the EU in it's present format is a complete bag of poop and the enlightened know it.

The trouble with us Brits is.....we will only put up with nonsense for so long.....then when we've had enough....we kick ass !
I was wondering when I was going to get an indignant answer!

You are right, cv, there is a hell of a lot wrong with Europe. Now, tell me that there is not a hell of a lot wrong with the UK.
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Old Feb 23, 2016, 7:46am   #71
 
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Boris the menace apparently doesn't think we should leave but simply that we can get a better deal because the rest of EU needs th UK. Needless to say UK does not need the Union of Europe.

One other sentiment to the debate irrespective of what we all think. Yesterday MR MARKET dumped the pound. AND we all know MR MARKET is always right. No need to shout about it.

There was a number 1.20 - thrown about. This is not a good signal imo. Might help with a one off boost to exports but long term view is that UK economy will be weaker as a consequence of a brexit.

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Boris Johnson’s EU decision sent the pound plummeting this morning, as his dad called the move ‘career-ending’.

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/22/boris-...#ixzz40ynDgSir


I'd call it a personal selfish career gambling rather than pursuing the interest of London or the country...
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Old Feb 23, 2016, 10:18am   #73
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Is there anything not wrong with any country
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Old Feb 23, 2016, 10:42am   #74
 
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Pat494 started this thread Is it just me but I can think of more cons than pros for both of them.
Accountants and lawyers will be having a field day if the vote is out while they adjust the figures.
The top hogs will no doubt be hedging their bets whichever.
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Old Feb 23, 2016, 10:56am   #75
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Boris Johnson’s EU decision sent the pound plummeting this morning, as his dad called the move ‘career-ending’.

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/22/boris-...#ixzz40ynDgSir


I'd call it a personal selfish career gambling rather than pursuing the interest of London or the country...
Do you really believe London won't flourish outside of the EU?
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