Has this country gone mad?

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Old Dec 22, 2005, 6:22am   #1
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Hi,

Sorry guys bit of a political rant coming up but no doubt you have your own views and it would be good to know i am not the only one:

It just really p*ss*s me off how we (the UK) live in a country that has has all the bad points of a capitalist country (ridiculous prices) and all the bad points of a socialist party 9pretty much everything) and not a lot else. The amount of tax we have to pay extortionate and what do we have to show for it? Dirty street, kids that leave school without learning how to read, kids that by 17 have a drink problem and 2 children. A transport system that is pretty pathetic. A man that "chose" to leave school at 16 realises by 20 that he probably should have gone to school surrenders himself to the government and get a free house! Yet the people that work bloody hard to make something of their lives get punished by income tax/council tax/fuel tax/ value added tax. Surely if we pay this much tax we should get something back, like a health service that can afford to pay its nurses AND still have enough beds for you. We pay all this money and Brown still gets himself into record debt. SO i guess we'll all have to pay even more to bail him out! Only in the UK can you be a millionaire and still have money concerns.

Ok that will do it for now, dont even get me started in the fact we have a government that does what it wants when it wants, oh yeah and giving even more of our money to Europe forgot about that!
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Old Dec 22, 2005, 6:28am   #2
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ah ha, my favourite subject!

Agree with just about everything you say, tommog. My partner (soon to be wife) and I have plans to emigrate in 2007 once I've completed my degree, and I know an awful lot of people (colleagues and friends) who are exercising similar thoughts.
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Old Dec 22, 2005, 6:29am   #3
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Hi,

Sorry guys bit of a political rant coming up but no doubt you have your own views and it would be good to know i am not the only one:

It just really p*ss*s me off how we (the UK) live in a country that has has all the bad points of a capitalist country (ridiculous prices) and all the bad points of a socialist party 9pretty much everything) and not a lot else. The amount of tax we have to pay extortionate and what do we have to show for it? Dirty street, kids that leave school without learning how to read, kids that by 17 have a drink problem and 2 children. A transport system that is pretty pathetic. A man that "chose" to leave school at 16 realises by 20 that he probably should have gone to school surrenders himself to the government and get a free house! Yet the people that work bloody hard to make something of their lives get punished by income tax/council tax/fuel tax/ value added tax. Surely if we pay this much tax we should get something back, like a health service that can afford to pay its nurses AND still have enough beds for you. We pay all this money and Brown still gets himself into record debt. SO i guess we'll all have to pay even more to bail him out! Only in the UK can you be a millionaire and still have money concerns.

Ok that will do it for now, dont even get me started in the fact we have a government that does what it wants when it wants, oh yeah and giving even more of our money to Europe forgot about that!

Merry Xmas !!
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Old Dec 22, 2005, 6:42am   #4
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tommog started this thread
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Merry Xmas !!
lol and to you

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My partner (soon to be wife) and I have plans to emigrate in 2007 once I've completed my degree
I don't blame you i'm seriously considering it also.
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Old Dec 22, 2005, 8:28am   #5
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A word in support of capitalism.

High prices are not a bad thing if you hold shares in the company that is charging them. For example, nobody in this community needs to feel oppressed by high petrol prices when we have access to shares in the oils.

Capitalism is an active means of improving our race's environment, by which I mean our lot in life (not just the atmosphere and our eco-system). Humanity has always strived to find a better cave to live in, hunt or gather or grow better food, using better tools. From that drive has come the opportunity to co-ooperate, by which I mean trade, to do a good deal to get better means of survival (and later comfort and pleasure). Money is just the lubricant that facilitates trade and tramnslates one form of goods or labour into a totally unrelated form.

Sure, capitalism has worrying side-effects. But so does eating. And who's going to give that up? And the point of it isn't just survival, its a better life

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Old Dec 22, 2005, 8:35am   #6
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ah ha, my favourite subject!

Agree with just about everything you say, tommog. My partner (soon to be wife) and I have plans to emigrate in 2007 once I've completed my degree, and I know an awful lot of people (colleagues and friends) who are exercising similar thoughts.

Which country do you want to emmigrate to?
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Old Dec 22, 2005, 8:44am   #7
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tommog started this thread Tomorton,

I agree 100% with everything you said, my post was intended to show the bad situation having a limp wristed socialist government has caused.
I agree high prices are not bad if it is the product of a fully capitalist economy but when prices go up and buying power is reduced through taxes it leads to an unhealthy economy. The fact taxes may well go up further due to Brown's latest announcement will only increase the problem in my view.

However the problem I see is that socialism doesnt reward effort and production it hinders it with taxes and promotes a larger middle and lower class. So in order to keep voters happy they promise more benefits to the growing lower class which compounds the problem. SO i see things getting far worse before they get better.

But on the plus side Spain's only a couple of hours flight away and for the price of a town house in the south of England you get year round sun and a house with a swimming pool, mmm its getting more and more tempting
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Old Dec 22, 2005, 9:15am   #8
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tommog started this thread Nice to know i'm not the only one that thinks something isn't quite right.

Its a shame that the innovators and producers of this country are being left with little alternative but to leave.
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