Doomsday in 2012

Good morning!

I thought i'd kick off the day with a discussion on Doomsday. Many of my close friends are starting to believe that the end of the world is nigh with all the protests and instability kicking off in the North African region...what do you think?

Chris.

I think I can understand why most of your friends believe the end of the world is nigh.

what do you think?

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It wont happen just like at every other prediction of the world ending in every generation. There have been numerous dates even in the last 50 years and none of them came to pass. Some of the reasons given why the world did not end by those who predicted it are about as pathetic as you can get.

The world has always has enormous levels of strife and what is happening now has happened throughout history in various forms with the only key difference being that communications are instant now days. That in itself is what has triggered all the unrest we are currently seeing. If there had not been instant communications as to what happened in Egypt then the copy cat protests would not have started in my view.


Paul

Deja vu meets groundhog day all over again.

"Many of my close friends are starting to believe that the end of the world is nigh with all the protests and instability kicking off in the North African region"

Why?

Do you think that somehow invites a huge meteor strike?

Or God gets seriously fed up with people wanting to be free and decides to incinerate the planet?

Or aliens decide we are too childish to survive and wipe us out?

Or are you an infiltrator from a certain other web site........?

Trader333 said:

It wont happen just like at every other prediction of the world ending in every generation. There have been numerous dates even in the last 50 years and none of them came to pass. Some of the reasons given why the world did not end by those who predicted it are about as pathetic as you can get.

The world has always has enormous levels of strife and what is happening now has happened throughout history in various forms with the only key difference being that communications are instant now days. That in itself is what has triggered all the unrest we are currently seeing. If there had not been instant communications as to what happened in Egypt then the copy cat protests would not have started in my view.


Paul


Paul

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I think this one relates to the Mayan calendar running out next year.

The Mayans ran out some time back...

I take the counter intuitive viewpoint/standpoint, I think this period of time could be an unmissable pivot point for humanity. The tragic loss of life in Egypt, Libya, Bahrain was totally avoidable and my worry is that the real power base that's existed in these areas for 30 years+ (the army) now seize control or enable the current despots to put further strangleholds on their people. But Libya is 'gone', the west won't/can't influence that one, which is why Clinton, Hague etc are deeply troubled, where's their next "son offa bitch" coming from? It can't be Gadaffi's son, that won't wash now. Libya could be the 'out of the blue' beacon of progress, not Egypt, and the west may well have to simply deal with the democracy the Libyans choose, not the one parachuted in by force/invasion..i.e. Iraq.

If the people in that massive region are let go and free to decide their future then peace could prevail. Dangers? Saudi won't fall to the populus without the USA intervening. Other big danger is the stealth by which the Iranians have moved an old warship through the Suez canal to park eventually in a Syrian port. Obama & Clinton must have been on the phone non stop to encourage Isreal to show restraint, that couple of old ships waving to Isreal as it passes their coastline must be pi55ing off the Isreali administration massively..Iran have gamed the US & Isreal there, in other times those ships would have been taken out in the straits.

We're passed peak oil, the west are struggling to keep their "son offa bitches" and despots all in place and under control with their usual industrial complex game theories; oil>money>threat of instability>arms>oil>money>threat of instability>arms....

The indigenous population of these regions should have benefitted more instead of being systematically raped for their natural resources and mineral wealth for decades by west govt's, under the disguise of their multi-nationals' free enterprise, whilst flooding the bank accounts of despots and criminals, hopefully it's their time to socialise that wealth.

Bad news? Oil at $200 per barrel inside the next 5 years and it's a game changer/leveller for us all. Our dependency on oil/fossil fuels can't end quickly enough for me. There will be nothing left then, other than peace..

But Libya is 'gone', the west won't/can't influence that one, which is why Clinton, Hague etc are deeply troubled, where's their next "son offa bitch" coming from? It can't be Gadaffi's son, that won't wash now

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Libya was as anti-west as was possible until very recently and only changed policy when it feared it would be next on the list for invasion after Iraq. Have you forgotten that the Lockerbie bombing was Libyan organised or that Libya was bombed in 1986 by US aircraft based in the UK and that the reason was they were involved in training terrorists ? The only issue for the west with any of this is, as you have stated, oil.


Paul

Trader333 said:

Libya was as anti-west as was possible until very recently and only changed policy when it feared it would be next on the list for invasion after Iraq. Have you forgotten that the Lockerbie bombing was Libyan organised or that Libya was bombed in 1986 by US aircraft based in the UK and that the reason was they were involved in training terrorists ? The only issue for the west with any of this is, as you have stated, oil.


Paul

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Really you sure on that? I'm not..I don't dig hypocrisy, Blair and Clinton cuddling up to Gaddafi is equally as nauseous as Cameron getting in there quickly with Egypt's *new* regime in order to sell it arms asap whilst on his tour of 'arms sale' duty throughout the middle east as we speak. The tear gas, bullets, machine guns, tanks, fighter jets, etc, etc used by the Egpytian, Tunisian, Libyan, Algerian, Bahrain dictators on their own people were all made predominantly by the USA, UK and France. *We* exported the means of terrorism on tankers in the crate loads and then the CIA and MI6 created the methods.

We're appalled by Gadaffi's mercenaries killing his own people, yet it's apparently honourable for our 'heroes' to be killed for no reason, or to kill innocent Iraqis and Afghans for their mineral wealth or route to markets, all for the supposed good of Queen & Country and the further prevention of terrorism on our shores? Its been 500 years since the moors led an invasion into Europe, perhaps unlike Blair and Bush they might go to the U.N. and get permission this time..There is no "threat", there never was a "threat", the industrial military complex and all its benefactors created and perpetuate the conditions for them to profit, "they can't have all that oil money without buying something in return off us in the trillions now can they?"

Is 'our terrorism', under the supposed freedom banner of installing democracy, any more acceptable than Gadaffi's?

Really you sure on that?

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I am not a conspiracy theorist and I don't doubt the questionable morality of some of our politicians but Libya was never in the pockets of the west in the way that others in the middle east clearly have been.


Paul

Trader333 said:

I am not a conspiracy theorist and I don't doubt the questionable morality of some of our politicians but Libya was never in the pockets of the west in the way that others in the middle east clearly have been.


Paul

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You just accept the huge weight of propoganda rammed down your throat then...good for you..

If I was a conspiracy theorist I would always have to be worrying about things that so far have never actually happened and for which there is a constant lack of verifiable evidence. If the world ends in 2012 you can go to your death in the happy knowledge that on this occasion you were right. In the meantime I am not going to worry about it because if it does come to pass there is nothing I can do about it.


Paul

Quitter.

Hey guys look what's looming in the human extinction field:-

1. World War 111 and nuclear war
2. pan demics. Natural and man-made i.e. biological warfare
3.meteor strike
4.San Andreas fault suddenly deposits Cali into the Pacific
5. Big solar flares knock out all power stations
6.nano robots programmed to eliminate humans
7. Race wars - racialist bigots
8. Over population - Catholics take note
9. Famine
10.ET landing
11. Mayan forecast

???????????????

Pat494 said:

Hey guys look what's looming in the human extinction field:-

1. World War 111 and nuclear war
2. pan demics. Natural and man-made i.e. biological warfare
3.meteor strike
4.San Andreas fault suddenly deposits Cali into the Pacific
5. Big solar flares knock out all power stations
6.nano robots programmed to eliminate humans
7. Race wars - racialist bigots
8. Over population - Catholics take note
9. Famine
10.ET landing
11. Mayan forecast

???????????????

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12: nothing major happens at all, and we bumble on incompetently into the next millenium despite ourselves.

Pat494 said:

Hey guys look what's looming in the human extinction field:-

1. World War 111 and nuclear war
2. pan demics. Natural and man-made i.e. biological warfare
3.meteor strike
4.San Andreas fault suddenly deposits Cali into the Pacific
5. Big solar flares knock out all power stations
6.nano robots programmed to eliminate humans
7. Race wars - racialist bigots
8. Over population - Catholics take note
9. Famine
10.ET landing
11. Mayan forecast

???????????????

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12. Somebody actually famous wins "I'm a celeb, get me out of here"

Mankind is synonymous to parasites. Agent smith summed us up nicely in the matrix. It's not a case of if its really a case of when. We are having to develop genetically modified crops because our capacity to feed ourselves is reaching the point of imbalance. We have almost depleted the oceans fish, we have few natural forests that are shrinking by the day, the extinction rate of animals is on the rise, and global peace is constantly being tested. I think we have only a few generations capacity left before the sh!t hits the fan.

Let me deal with the responses by the commentators with the most blinding ignorance first.

Mr. Charts said:

Deja vu meets groundhog day all over again.

"Many of my close friends are starting to believe that the end of the world is nigh with all the protests and instability kicking off in the North African region"

Why?

Do you think that somehow invites a huge meteor strike?

Or God gets seriously fed up with people wanting to be free and decides to incinerate the planet?

Or aliens decide we are too childish to survive and wipe us out?

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Now despite the fact you have replied like a 13 yr old seeking attention I will rip apart your poorly informed comments.

The West has for years propped up and economically provided for these regimes which now the west are heralding. These people are revolting for good reason and who is to say this wont spread to regimes in Pakistan or other instabile Asian areas that DO possess WMD's - we're not talking about Iraq here people and we are talking about a threat much more probable than a meteor strike.

I am not a believer in God or your concept of "Aliens wiping us out" so please keep to what we know can possibly cause massive disruption.

Trader333 said:

It wont happen just like at every other prediction of the world ending in every generation. There have been numerous dates even in the last 50 years and none of them came to pass. Some of the reasons given why the world did not end by those who predicted it are about as pathetic as you can get.

The world has always has enormous levels of strife and what is happening now has happened throughout history in various forms with the only key difference being that communications are instant now days. That in itself is what has triggered all the unrest we are currently seeing. If there had not been instant communications as to what happened in Egypt then the copy cat protests would not have started in my view.


Paul

Or are you an infiltrator from a certain other web site........?

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Surely the point is though Paul that these things haven't happened in the past with countries that have the power to arm and send Nuclear warheads. Communication is instant, yes, that means that the means to prepare such plans are even quicker. That in itself hasn't triggered anything, it has helped spread the unrest undeniably but the reason these people have revolted is something foreign to you or me because although we probably agree that our Diplomatic system is wrong it is in no way comparison to the hardship and scum these people have had to endure. It is NOT a copy cat protest if people have a genuine urge to ply for freedom in their own governed country.

Black Swan said:

I take the counter intuitive viewpoint/standpoint, I think this period of time could be an unmissable pivot point for humanity. The tragic loss of life in Egypt, Libya, Bahrain was totally avoidable and my worry is that the real power base that's existed in these areas for 30 years+ (the army) now seize control or enable the current despots to put further strangleholds on their people. But Libya is 'gone', the west won't/can't influence that one, which is why Clinton, Hague etc are deeply troubled, where's their next "son offa bitch" coming from? It can't be Gadaffi's son, that won't wash now. Libya could be the 'out of the blue' beacon of progress, not Egypt, and the west may well have to simply deal with the democracy the Libyans choose, not the one parachuted in by force/invasion..i.e. Iraq.

If the people in that massive region are let go and free to decide their future then peace could prevail. Dangers? Saudi won't fall to the populus without the USA intervening. Other big danger is the stealth by which the Iranians have moved an old warship through the Suez canal to park eventually in a Syrian port. Obama & Clinton must have been on the phone non stop to encourage Isreal to show restraint, that couple of old ships waving to Isreal as it passes their coastline must be pi55ing off the Isreali administration massively..Iran have gamed the US & Isreal there, in other times those ships would have been taken out in the straits.

We're passed peak oil, the west are struggling to keep their "son offa bitches" and despots all in place and under control with their usual industrial complex game theories; oil>money>threat of instability>arms>oil>money>threat of instability>arms....

The indigenous population of these regions should have benefitted more instead of being systematically raped for their natural resources and mineral wealth for decades by west govt's, under the disguise of their multi-nationals' free enterprise, whilst flooding the bank accounts of despots and criminals, hopefully it's their time to socialise that wealth.

Bad news? Oil at $200 per barrel inside the next 5 years and it's a game changer/leveller for us all. Our dependency on oil/fossil fuels can't end quickly enough for me. There will be nothing left then, other than peace..

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Black Swan! A much better argument and I agree with most of our points. I'm going Long on Oil for the rest of my life I think

But I disagree with your "Socialising of Wealth". We do not advocate socialising of wealth in a capitalist system do we?

The arms issue is something i'm very angry about. As usual our Foreign policy has been devout of any strategy and our "Sell arms to all that need it to make us rich" scheme has been possibly the poorest decision made by the US and the EU over the last 100 years. We have armed these loons and are now sat back cheering the Protesters getting smashed by our Tear Gas cannisters and bullets. I agree also that we have taken the national resources as some sort of compensation for dealing with their corrupt government.

I see it as the great tragedy of our nations.

But no...your right...Lets talk about Alien invasions???!! :smart:.

forker said:

Mankind is synonymous to parasites. Agent smith summed us up nicely in the matrix. It's not a case of if its really a case of when. We are having to develop genetically modified crops because our capacity to feed ourselves is reaching the point of imbalance. We have almost depleted the oceans fish, we have few natural forests that are shrinking by the day, the extinction rate of animals is on the rise, and global peace is constantly being tested. I think we have only a few generations capacity left before the sh!t hits the fan.

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Forker I think your point is very true.

costaricachris said:

Let me deal with the responses by the commentators with the most blinding ignorance first.

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That could be read in a way that you never intended.

OK. I want to rephrase my earlier post.

I think I can understand why most of your friends wish the end of the world was nigh.

What a dork...