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gtatix

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I would like to ask whether some of these ideas have ever been entertained. Perhaps current indicators already incorporate some of these ideas? If so, maybe you could direct me as to which ones and how to read more about them. I would also appreciate if anyone wanted to share some of their ideas - conceptualizations etc - that they would perhaps like furthered or explained that they offer them within this thread.
I will start with 3 for now.
1) Expected partial reversal observation: I am looking at daily candles. I see that - VERY OFTEN - the next day's candle retraces into much of the previous days candle. If I were to measure the retracement percentage - i.e. 38%, 50%, 60% - how often would this happen. If I only consider previous day candles that are a minimum of say 60 pips or 100 pips or 120 pips, what would change? If I considered only the body of the candle or the body and the shadow in the direction of the previous day's candle, would this be a better measurement than just the body for calculating the next days expected retracement. Stops and acceptable initial movement in the opposite direction would need to be considered as well - among a few other things I am sure.
2) Picking a direction from a specific start time: Perhaps it is the U.S. openning or each of the main openning times OR perhaps a specific time like 24:00 EST? Ultimately it would likely be that a time to do this would be as important as the observation of the event. The "event" is basically a retracement point. So the time would likely be of great importance. Supposition of the success of this hypothetical trading concept is largely based on what a few do at the moment they hit the buy or sell "button." I am speaking of watching - say a 5 minute chart or a 1 minute chart - at exactly 7:59am EST each day. The chart moves. It moves 7 pips long after exactly 5 minutes. It continues to tick up a little and down a little. At 10 minutes it has moved long 9 pips and never moved into the short area at all. NOW...I want to know how often - at 8:00am everyday a profitable trade can be anticipated in the OPPOSITE direction to the first 5 minutes - or perhaps 10 or 30 minutes - of that day's original movement IF the movement is less than 10 - maybe 3 maybe 12 maybe 20 - pips in the first "X" minutes. This would be based on - none other than - probabilities. But the event could be a result of the way trading works ALL THE TIME. It starts to go this way and then - wham it goes that way. All - ultimately - based on the psychology/methodology of the first who jump into the trades at X o'clock. Input?
3) This one I don't like already, but I will put it out here. It is more of a gambling concept than anything: Perhaps there is a "best chart" to view this concept. Hypothetically 3 red candles of value 50 or greater occur in a row. The greatest retracement of the previous candle is either zero or less; or less than - say 5%??. Now, we suspect this won't last so, we go long - looking for blue - or green - or whatever colour your up candles are. Will we win or lose? Does this look good on a 4hr chart over the past 10 years? What if we only do this if there are 7 such candles in a row? Will we wait so long that it is virtually profitless? Can we do this with a sort of "Martingale" or "Fibonacci" gambling procedure where if it fails with the first attempt after 3 candles, we double our next order? Has this been looked at?

I'll leave these three as a starter. Input welcomed but please either know where I am going with these and tell me - oh that's been done - here's some info on that, or explain - with personal knowledge or experience - why this wouldn't work. Thanks.

More out-of-the-box to come ?
 
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CONCEPT for discussion or criticism

Firstly, I haven't read Steve Nison's Candlestick book. I would imagine he may have touched on this one there? But here it is anyway.
CONCEPT/IDEA:
We see a "hammer" or perhaps a "hanging man" "Maybe a doji." It could be in an uptrend or downtrend or perhaps anywhere. We look at the 1 minute chart and see that the following concept is too unstable - there are too many such candles. So we try it on the 5 minute. The ten minute? The 30 minute? and see that it looks good?

A candle has a shadow of 12 pips [ 8 pips, 16 pips, 20 pips, 30 pips ????] We KNOW in the next 5 minutes [10 min, 30 min ???] that the next candle will be at least 10 pips [ 15 pips, 25 pips] above/below this candle's close/open! I wonder what percentage of the time this would happen and if a stop loss and limit could be devised to make it profitable X% of the time for a X/Y success to loss ratio of such-and-such.
Can you see where some computer programming knowledge would greatly assist me now???
Are there programmes or is there software I could BUY or get that would test what I am asking. I would need to input results and have a computer calculate the losses or gains. I could do this by hand, but it would take months at best.
More to come?
 
gtatix,

Regarding programming the other thread recommended you learn some. Probably the easiest to learn that would permit reasonable testing is tradestation (you could get a copy of tradestation 2000i via ebay or some other means perhaps ... its old but not obsolete for testing ideas and the language used is extended to ts8 today).

Regarding your ideas. Many of the experienced traders around here will ignore them in part because you take what most experienced traders think of as part of the unnecessary stages of learning to trade and then want to program them.

Examples are candlesticks by themselves. Not good.

I'd honestly suggest you'd be best to do two things at this point:
- learn enough programming to test trading ideas.
- learn about price action in trading as it associates with support and resistance and perhaps volume.
- then try to program and test the ideas that come from that understanding.

One good thread: http://www.trade2win.com/boards/price-volume/27069-s-p-analysis-friday-2nd-oct.html

Just my opinion though. Good luck.
 
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