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Hi Guys,

I have a really,really newbie question here as I am just starting my journey into trading and have decided to look at Forex first. At present I am just doing my research.

I am looking at taking a course, do people recommend doing these? Or ultimately are they a waste of time?

If I start with a trading fund of £1000.00 is it possible to trade at a £1 a pip?

Cheers.

TOP
 
Hi Guys,

I have a really,really newbie question here as I am just starting my journey into trading and have decided to look at Forex first. At present I am just doing my research.

I am looking at taking a course, do people recommend doing these? Or ultimately are they a waste of time?

If I start with a trading fund of £1000.00 is it possible to trade at a £1 a pip?

Cheers.

TOP

Hi TOP,
Regarding courses, there is a general bias against them on this forum on the grounds that there are very few that contain quality content that can't be found for free here - or elsewhere on the web. Many vendors take advantage of the ignorance of newbies who, quite understandably, don't have the knowledge or experience to enable them to distinguish between a unique offering that's worth paying handsomely for - and a pile of poop that merely repackages free content at an exorbitant cost. Luckily for you, all you have to do is to provide a link to the training material that interests you and then the good folk here on T2W will tell you in no uncertain terms whether or not the course is top drawer - or not worth the virtual parer it's scribbled on. In the meantime, check out these two FAQs:
Can You Recommend a Mentor, Coach or Trading Course?
How Can I Distinguish Between Scams and Reputable Vendors?

Regarding your question about whether or not £1,000 is enough capital to trade at £1.00 per pip - the short answer is yes if you're spread betting. Whether or not it's advisable is another matter entirely - but it is possible. For a more in depth answer to this question, check out this FAQ:
How Much Money Does a Trader Need To Start Trading?

Hope that helps!
Tim.
 
Hi Tim,

I really appreciate the reply, I will study of those links carefully over the next few days.

The course I was looking into was called Platinum Trading systems - http://www.platinumtradingsystems.com/

Its run by a guy called Nirav Shah, can't really find much about it. They want 3k for the full course.

Has anyone heard of these guys?

Cheers!
 
The course I was looking into was called Platinum Trading systems - http://www.platinumtradingsystems.com/

Its run by a guy called Nirav Shah, can't really find much about it. They want 3k for the full course.
Hi TOP,
Never heard of Platinum I'm afraid. As far as I can tell, it's not a scam as such but, equally, I'd be very surprised if they have any customers who make anything like the potential returns they claim for their various strategies. Not on a consistent basis anyway. Sure, they'll have the occasional home run as shown in their Gold trade video, but these will be few and far between.

My impression (which I accept I may be wrong as I've not studied their site in any detail), is that their algorithm highlights specific levels - turning points in the market where they expect institutional money to flow in or out. If that's what you want, lots of members call those for free right here on T2W. For example, dentist007 does it all day long on this thread: Trading with p/f

If you're looking at starting trading with a £4k float, of which £3k goes on training and £1k into your brokerage account, I'd suggest you've got these the wrong way around. In fact, beyond a few books possibly (some would say even this is unnecessary and not especially helpful), I wouldn't spend a penny on training of this kind if I were you. Doubtless, the course and materials will be well presented, all very glitzy, and the sales rep's will be very charming and tell you everything you want to hear. If you had £100k to risk, then a punt of £3k on a course like this wouldn't be such a big deal if it doesn't deliver. However, in your case, you could easily end up regretting spending the £3k and wish you still had it to trade with or, even, to take your partner / best mate on a fantastic holiday somewhere.

Caveat emptor!
Tim.
 
Hi Tim,

I really appreciate the reply, I will study of those links carefully over the next few days.

The course I was looking into was called Platinum Trading systems - http://www.platinumtradingsystems.com/

Its run by a guy called Nirav Shah, can't really find much about it. They want 3k for the full course.

Has anyone heard of these guys?

Cheers!

I've never heard of this course but I implore you not to do it! 3k is a LOT of money-that's more than you will have to trade with isn't it??
Just had a quick look \at the Platinum Intraday Strategy video, as far as I can tell he's just mapping out the swing highs and the swing lows and putting nuy or sell there? Of course if you ask I'm sure it'll be MUCH more than that:)

I can highly recommend the totally free babys school of pipsology to start with to get the basics so you know the terminology etc but there are caveats (see below) http://www.babypips.com/school

And then I'm going to get a bit heavy with you. I was you once. I have spent thousands (no-really) thousands on being trained. Almost all of it was absolute b*lls, with a nugget here and there that never went away and formed core ideas in my head. So maybe they were worth it?!

But I implore you, do not waste years like I did getting bogged down in stochastics, moving averages etc. Price does not reverse 'because it hit a moving average.' To clarify, EURUSD is the most traded fx currency. Are you telling me that professional money managers are going to hit the buy button, or fight the buyers at this point if taking the other side of the trade, because it's hit a moving average, or it's reached a price area and the stochastics have started to cross?
It's absolute lunacy. As a caveat, moving averages work very well in trending environments, but as markets only trend 15-20% of the time, the rest of it will chop you up (believe me, I know). Oh yeah, you'll here 'you should then identify whether you are in a trend or consolidation zone.' Sounds easy doesn't it. I can do that now, but only because I have totally ditched every bulls*it piece of advice, many that is on these pages.
People use indicators because it is outsourcing the decision making process. "Mmm I'm not sure but the rsi is high so I'll go short." But the RSI is based on past price action-what has that got to do with RIGHT NOW.

I'm trying to give you a shortcut to avoid the wasted years that I had. What you need to do is to learn to understand price action and why it moves. Look up volume profile videos/articles. It's a bit heavy but wow, you will be taking a huge shortcut by doing this now and immersing yourself in auction market theory.

The trouble is that there are no fixed rules like a game of football, and who do you trust is telling you the right rules (even me!).
I just looked at the support and resistance section of the school of pipsology and disagree with it somewhat so you can see my point!

So, nearly at the end of my rant. I am going to give you some solid advice which in my opinion, if you absorb will get you to where you want to be.

If you go to this page you'll see the chart that is marked out with the major/minor support areas http://www.babypips.com/school/elementary/support-and-resistance-levels/support-and-resistance.html and image is below with my own scrawlings.

Understand this. If price has reversed and has reversed a good amount (e.g. the two blue arrow areas on the chart), then the area where price reversed SHOWS YOU WHERE PEOPLE THOUGHT THE PRICE WAS OVERVALUED, AND EITHER STOPPED BUYING, MORE PEOPLE STARTED SELLING, OR A COMBINATION OF BOTH. Do you think that is relevant info? The fact that this has been deemed 'minor resistance' is a mystery to me. Does that look like a minor area to you? And here is the biggest secret of all, if an area that has these moves is then beaten, then it is major support. It is a price point that institutions look at. How do I know this? Well, who do you think moved the EURusd on billions of volume, people on mt4 with their rsi? Swing highs and lows, and areas where prices keep performing the same price movement, show us where the big boys don't want to trade. And if those areas get beaten, then guess what, they are EXCELLENT places to trade.

I could waffle on and on but it will be confusing (might be already). Remember this: Price is always bouncing because some people have been proved wrong and need to exit (clue-they don't use stops).

Look at charts. See where prices have reversed in an obvious way. Understand that this means people have taken positions here. See if price reverses at this area again. Then, if this price is beaten, understand what might happen when price returns to it.

Look at the attached chart again. Look at those two blue arrow areas that the author has deemed 'minor resistance.' Do you now understand why that is total rubbish? Do you see any proof that shows you why it is absolute rubbish?

Look to the right, see the two blue lines I have added on next to the 'minor support' area. Look at what happens when price dips below these areas, and then comes back up. What happens to it? Does it move higher, or does it run into a brick wall?
Understand that you need to always look left on a chart. Understand that you need to map areas where people keep going long, or keep going short. Understand that the more times it happens, the stronger the area is if price breaks these areas. What do you think will happen if price comes back to these areas-bearing in mind that a lot of people aren't using stops and are waiting to exit their positions for minimal losses?

With this in mind, I want to set an exercise for you, you can do it now, or in 3 months, it doesn't matter. In terms of looking at where people are buying and selling in a typical head and shoulders pattern and where they have been proved wrong, can you explain the pattern in terms of why it works in the areas that it does?
If you can, then you will have made more insight than most people ever will:)
Apologies for the rant!
 

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Thanks for all the help Guys! Its a lot to digest but I think its time to get my head down again and revisit once I've done some more reading.
 
open a demo spreadbet account and trade forex at £1 per point, your aim is to gain consistency in making money, Large stakes and big wins are meaningless, this is one of the hardest things for a newbie to take in.

If you can make between 50 and 100 pips over the week on a consistent basis ( remembering that you will have quite a number of small losses as well ) then you will succeed as a trader..
 
I absolutely agree with your point Mike, I've got my head around that. Consistency is key.

I'm going to get my head down and start studying with a look to perhaps begin paper trading in a few months.
 
You can do both, open a demo and start trading asap, read at nights/weekends when the markets are quieter. Remember,these are just demo platforms, you have nothing to loose..
 
Thanks for all the help Guys! Its a lot to digest but I think its time to get my head down again and revisit once I've done some more reading.

If memory serves me correctly then Oanda can introduce you to live trading and you can bet pennies if you want.
 
I trade mainly price action now, mostly on market volume - anytime I can see a significant move and a pullback on profit taking. This allows me to get in with tight stops and get clear as the volume comes back in.

But I have also noticed that the few times when I was doing very well out of the markets in the past have often been when the indicators or systems I was using failed, rather than succeeded. In other words, when a system was telling me that if price held within a particular level, I should enter. Instead, when price broke through, I entered in the opposite direction. I wasn't looking at support and resistance at the time, but it seems like I hit those moments when enough positions were being closed out to get some momentum. This type of trading is all about volume and it is where the most money is to be made.

That isn't to say that trend trading can't be done alongside your day trading and indicators can help with that. Be aware though that where indicators are showing everyone where to enter and place their stops, the banks can see it too. Hence, the more obvious the set-up, the more likely it is you will have your stops taken out, then watch the price reverse to your target.

The Platinum system is talked up, but they provide education as well. It depends if their education is worth £3k to you. Much of it is available online if you know where to go and the rest is trial and error, risk management and common sense. The system could help for trend trading IMO, but there are many much cheaper indicators available for MT4 that can do that and even some that measure market volume/breakouts.
 
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Hi Guys,

I have a really,really newbie question here as I am just starting my journey into trading and have decided to look at Forex first. At present I am just doing my research.

I am looking at taking a course, do people recommend doing these? Or ultimately are they a waste of time?

If I start with a trading fund of £1000.00 is it possible to trade at a £1 a pip?

Cheers.

TOP

IMO there is no trading know-how you can learn for 1-2K$. If you have spare time better to take a plunge yourself. If you want to earn in trading you need to find an EDGE. Edge in this sense means your unique way of trade, some market weakness you exploited during your studies, so when you press it you squeeze money :D
Other approaches are waste of time
 
Yup, 3k is too much, especially with your budget. The best thing such course may give to you is an ordered and systemated info, but it's a lazy way. Especially considering that if you are going to trade successfully you'll have to learn how to learn yourself, so the earlier you start to figure everything out yourself - the better for you. Good luck!
 
Yes I am often hear if more than 90% trader get fail in forex, and only left few percent trader that able survive in this business, and if newbie lack of experience hence they need to learn, and practice although still use demo account but this is useful to test skill trading, many trader might can't maintain account more than six month and practice demo at least six month might better than a week.
 
I have seen according to my trading experience that we the newcomers are try to achieve success from this trading place without learning. as a result, almost 90% traders are loser form here due to lack of exact treading knowledge. so, we have to choose in the brokers which always make sure best trading environment for acquiring proper trading knowledge by providing real educational facilities.

That's true, but I guess you'd agree that for a newcomer it's difficult to fidure out which broker is which, and if their educational services are really any good, or do they simply make money by selling you basic info you could have easily found on forums and google yourself.
 
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