Brokers that GUARANTEE no slippage...

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Old Aug 8, 2004, 6:28am   #1
 
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Brokers that GUARANTEE no slippage...

Hello Guys,

I was rather upset when a client that I trade for, with the stop loss set at 1.213, was closed out at 1.2188 after the non farm payrolls report. I mean, why in the heck do brokers even have stop losses if they're not going to be honored?

Can you guys let me know of brokers that ABSOLUTELY 100% GUARANTEE no slippage, no matter if the markets move 200 pips in one direction after big news events?

It would be great had you actually experienced such an event with your broker, for example if you were short Eur/Usd before the NFP release and were honored your stop? Cuz my experience shows some of these brokers guarantee one thing, but do something else.

I'm sure everyone else would appreciate this info also.

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Old Aug 8, 2004, 9:18am   #2
 
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You can't guarantee a price on a Stop unless you use Stop Limit. A Stop is effectively an At Market Order when triggered. Would you rather not get a fill and watch it go further against you?
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Old Aug 8, 2004, 9:20am   #3
 
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akshay started this thread I meant any broker who guarantees price on a stop limit. Sorry for the confusion.

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Old Aug 8, 2004, 9:39am   #4
 
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Hello Ashkay

Iv been using http://www.ac-markets.com/ for a while now and have had no problems with them, 3 pip spread, no slippage on stops and a great platform.
I never traded the recent non farm figures so i can't comment on that, but did trade the previous months figures through ACM and had by stop honoured at the price quoted.
Which broker are you referring to?

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Old Aug 8, 2004, 10:33am   #5
 
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From the comments of others, FXCM may be worth a look, although some of the spreads are a touch high. I have had chats with their online help people and they say that they guarantee stops, even over the weekend, and there seems to be nothing to contradict this at this stage.

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Old Aug 8, 2004, 10:50am   #6
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yes rog1111, they do comply with their comments regarding no slip on stops. Personally, I haven't experienced any problems on this score with varying degrees of size. I don't trade much intraday stuff with them, primarily swing...as you say, they're not the most competative broker out there (on cable anyway). I have heard tell of a few disgruntled clients, but can only comment on my own association with them. I played the non-farms on Friday thru them, and once again, they honoured the price on entry. I'm not sure of the reasonings behind the dissatisfied mutterings yet (snouting around for further info), but guess it might have something to do with individual strats/size etc....anyway, if I find anything to the contrary, I'll post!
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Old Aug 8, 2004, 6:47pm   #7
 
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akshay started this thread Buk - thanks for your PM.

The post was deleted from Moneytec cuz FXCM is a sponsor there. I notice they're a sponsor here also so it may be deleted.

FXCM are a bunch of rogues.. see http://www.lovemyprofits.com/pages/62/index.htm

They've been sued a heck of a lot of times... http://www.nfa.futures.org/basicnet/...2&contrib=CFTC

Almost everyone I've spoken to regarding them tells me they predatorily hunt your stops, meaning they close them even when not hit.

That first link above proves they'd go to any entent and extreme to screw traders. They actually fake quoted a 30 pip dip to take out everyone who was long with an SL 30 or less (which is pretty normal, for news most speculators will put an SL 10-30 and hope for the best).

I cannot believe and am disgusted a company would go to such lengths to screw traders in order to fill its coffers. Seems they made money no matter whether traders went long on short. They should be stripped of broker status and hauled into prison.

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Old Aug 8, 2004, 6:58pm   #8
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I would not go anywhere near FXCM . I have a friend whose stop had 108 pips of slippage on Friday. I have seen things from that company that I am convinced could close them down - one day they will be, of that I am certain.
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Old Aug 8, 2004, 7:58pm   #9
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Because the spot forex market is not regulated I guess that such 'market makers' can and will be able to skew their spreads out of sync with the underlying interbank market. Remember, they are not 'brokers' they are 'market makers' - they make their own market and thus set their own price.
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Old Aug 8, 2004, 8:40pm   #10
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Agreed Jtrader. As an example ACM suddenly widen all their prices to 20-30 pips just before any fundamental announcement,thus triggering stops.
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Old Aug 8, 2004, 11:13pm   #11
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I get the impression that Interactive Brokers with their IDEALPRO spot forex service is as close as you may get to trading spot forex with a broker. They place orders directly into the interbank market and make their profits purely in a brokerage capacity. I think there are a few other companies that enable a similar thing but not sure who.
I read on another thread a member recommending that it's a good idea to always use limit orders when placing a trade. This way you will not run the risk of being filled 30 pips away from where you thought you'd get filled - .
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Old Aug 8, 2004, 11:14pm   #12
 
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As an example ACM suddenly widen all their prices to 20-30 pips just before any fundamental announcement,thus triggering stops.
Sorry JP, the one doesn't imply the other. Just because they widen their spread before major news (wouldn't you?) doesn't mean they're hunting stops.

Nobody tells you to place 20 or 30 point stops.

Actually, nobody tells you to even be IN the market just before news.

Quite a few on these boards argue quite the opposite strategy.

Seems to me, if you're a big enough boy to take your chances and be/stay in the market ahead of news, you should be big enough to take the losses and the gains as they occur.
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Old Aug 8, 2004, 11:27pm   #13
 
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akshay

Thanks for the links, I'll investigate further. I wouldn't have noticed these artificial spikes from the Netdania charts that purport to use FXCM bid prices, normally the globex futures spikes are larger.

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Buk - thanks for your PM.

The post was deleted from Moneytec cuz FXCM is a sponsor there. I notice they're a sponsor here also so it may be deleted.

FXCM are a bunch of rogues.. see http://www.lovemyprofits.com/pages/62/index.htm

They've been sued a heck of a lot of times... http://www.nfa.futures.org/basicnet/...2&contrib=CFTC

Almost everyone I've spoken to regarding them tells me they predatorily hunt your stops, meaning they close them even when not hit.

That first link above proves they'd go to any entent and extreme to screw traders. They actually fake quoted a 30 pip dip to take out everyone who was long with an SL 30 or less (which is pretty normal, for news most speculators will put an SL 10-30 and hope for the best).

I cannot believe and am disgusted a company would go to such lengths to screw traders in order to fill its coffers. Seems they made money no matter whether traders went long on short. They should be stripped of broker status and hauled into prison.

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Old Aug 9, 2004, 6:55am   #14
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most folks have experienced negative kick back at some point with various market players, as a few have already pointed out, it's purely a consequence of the business we're in. I realise it's no excuse, but I doubt there are many who are/have been immune from being spiked out of positions. Girlpower's right, we don't have to play the lottery of the numbers game! the negative aspects of taking positions around these events have been well documented on these threads. Friday was only the third ocassion I've played the news releases this year, and maybe I was fortunate to come away unscathed, but it's my decision, and I enter knowing the consequences. I can only reiterate, I've had no previous problems with FXCM, that's not to say they're whiter than white, after all they're in business to make money, and it's cat & mouse at the best of times. Name me a market player that strokes your head with a friendly smile & I'll show you a wolf in sheeps clothing! we all know the risks.....
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Old Aug 9, 2004, 7:36am   #15
 
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The point is that regulated markets and brokers cannot do this.

Globex is a regulated and fair market. The EURUSD future would certainly not have stopped out this trade.

IB is regulated by the FSA here and by the relevent bodies in the States so they will not directly play with the Spot quotes else they will be in serious trouble. They are a pure broker so they wouldn't gain from doing so in any case.

You use bucket shops you get what comes. How do you think they guarantee stops?

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