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the 26 yr inter bankdealer who was sacked from his desk for fiddling his P&L... bet you did not know that.. did you?

system is fine, it works, the grids... but to pay 3 grand for something that is 100% free and 100% identical on MT4... is pure madness

and to then line his pockets with a feed fee of 200 bucks a month? LOL

one born every minute.

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the price feed company he co owns btw LOL

You are wrong, Faceman

He does not own the feed company. The feed company is Global Data Feed. And Andy has nothing to do with it.

Also the MT 4 indicator is NOT the same.. I have seen it, it is not even close. It is based on STATIC Fibs, not Dynamic.

Your arguments are just repeated from unfounded forum posts I have also seen in the past. Just regurgitation of failed traders who could not develop the discipline required to be successful at ANY system.

plus there are other options, you do not have to buy the software to be a part of what we do..

btw, you are making accusations that are purely unfounded. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe you should get your facts straight before spreading this kind of negativity..

later,
Sam
 
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You are wrong, Faceman

He does not own the feed company. The feed company is Global Data Feed. And Andy has nothing to do with it.

Also the MT 4 indicator is NOT the same.. I have seen it, it is not even close. It is based on STATIC Fibs, not Dynamic.

Your arguments are just repeated from unfounded forum posts I have also seen in the past. Just regurgitation of failed traders who could not develop the discipline required to be successful at ANY system.

plus there are other options, you do not have to buy the software to be a part of what we do..

btw, you are making accusations that are purely unfounded. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe you should get your facts straight before spreading this kind of negativity..

later,
Sam

Samuel old chum... a couple of things

Firstly I know Andy very well, and he knows me.. so I know MORE than you.

Secondly, the MT4 model has not been seen by you as it is very dynamic, both MoneyConMap and the MT4 version (not that crap 4pm one) have been lined up next to each other and both are identical.

You see, your man nicked the levels from Pronet, Pronet have released info that helped builded the MT4 version.

Many thanks.
 
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I am not sure your motive Faceman, I am sure you will not identify yourself. You know who I am. I am totally transparent. so for you to come on this board throwing around ridiculous claims suggests you have an alterior motive.

You could say anything you want with an anonymous screen name. people like you are a dime a dozen..
 
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I am not sure your motive Faceman, I am sure you will not identify yourself. You know who I am. I am totally transparent. so for you to come on this board throwing around ridiculous claims suggests you have an alterior motive.

You could say anything you want with an anonymous screen name. people like you are a dime a dozen..

sam, if i had an "ulterior" (think that is what you meant) motive...why would i immediately suggest "it works" instead of dissing it?

like i said, i helped Andy with this project a long time ago... you know very little puppy, you are a newbie on board.

i go back to pronet and paper grids sunshine :smart:
 
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Faceman, I got a question. I read your dialogues. What is your motive to what you are discussing? Is there something of value you are offereing this forum? I am serious in asking that question.
What I feel is implied is that you feel people are being suckered into paying $249 per month to follow some signals and get some coaching. If the value outweighs the cost, would it not be worth it at any price?
There is some worn out rhetoric you used in using the term, "Newbie". I'm telling you that me and Sam are extremely distinctive in our styles of trading, but do you understand that if you are trading profitably you are in the top 10% of all traders? Please tell me how he qualifies as being a newbie? If I make an accusation like that, I will back it up, so I am asking you to do the same thing.
Also, what you mentioned about the grid system on MT4 that is free for anyone. I was introduced to the proper usage of the ichimoku cloud. The guy that showed it to me is responsible for a staple in my methodology. Looking back at it with hindsight, I could have paid him (long story) $150 per month for life, and it would have been worth it. It is still a free indicator for anyone to use. What you are "dissing" is the man's reputation and the right he has for charging for his service. I say, "Big deal who invented it, who used it, and whose name is in back of it." Don't forget, the Japanese blew up Pearl Harbor, but I still love them for their ichimoku cloud.

sam, if i had an "ulterior" (think that is what you meant) motive...why would i immediately suggest "it works" instead of dissing it?

like i said, i helped Andy with this project a long time ago... you know very little puppy, you are a newbie on board.

i go back to pronet and paper grids sunshine :smart:
 
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Faceman, I got a question. I read your dialogues. What is your motive to what you are discussing? Is there something of value you are offereing this forum? I am serious in asking that question.
What I feel is implied is that you feel people are being suckered into paying $249 per month to follow some signals and get some coaching. If the value outweighs the cost, would it not be worth it at any price?
There is some worn out rhetoric you used in using the term, "Newbie". I'm telling you that me and Sam are extremely distinctive in our styles of trading, but do you understand that if you are trading profitably you are in the top 10% of all traders? Please tell me how he qualifies as being a newbie? If I make an accusation like that, I will back it up, so I am asking you to do the same thing.
Also, what you mentioned about the grid system on MT4 that is free for anyone. I was introduced to the proper usage of the ichimoku cloud. The guy that showed it to me is responsible for a staple in my methodology. Looking back at it with hindsight, I could have paid him (long story) $150 per month for life, and it would have been worth it. It is still a free indicator for anyone to use. What you are "dissing" is the man's reputation and the right he has for charging for his service. I say, "Big deal who invented it, who used it, and whose name is in back of it." Don't forget, the Japanese blew up Pearl Harbor, but I still love them for their ichimoku cloud.

My newbie comment was not based on his trading experience, moreover, his experience with traderhouse/shearman/fxmm... who i have know closely and had dealings with going back to circa 2002/3. Sam was implying i was the new kid on the block etc... i swiftly slammed that door shut.

My point is, many people are being fleeced for this system, 5000 bucks for the software... which is 100% replaicated on MT4 with the right indicator with the right ma/fib level.s

Then, you got to pay almost 300 bucks every month for a feed, lol, which on MT4... is.... drumroll..... FREE

I know who Sam is, and what his role is within said organisation, so although its admirable him ghosting up on threads saying come to me trading room for free... there is an ulterior motive... sell the package, sell the monthly feed!!! make bucks out of gullible consumers.

The system works, in the right hands... for sure!! I know, i was there when it was invented almost a decade ago.

But if you think i am going to let people get fleeced for something that is 100% free, think again.
 
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Wow! As per your last comment, I share your same passion.
My understanding is that people go to his web trading room for free (I was there one time out of curiosity of what he was doing, and was impressed.), and they have that ongoing priviledge. If they want to buy into his methodology and have him share all the details, then he charges the said amount.
I do know of one software program that is well worth the money that is paid on a monthly basis (I don't sell it.), and that is from Forex TRM.
Thanks for replying. I was quick to ask you only because he is coasting along and doing a good job, and then it appears someone puts the shabang on him.


My newbie comment was not based on his trading experience, moreover, his experience with traderhouse/shearman/fxmm... who i have know closely and had dealings with going back to circa 2002/3. Sam was implying i was the new kid on the block etc... i swiftly slammed that door shut.

My point is, many people are being fleeced for this system, 5000 bucks for the software... which is 100% replaicated on MT4 with the right indicator with the right ma/fib level.s

Then, you got to pay almost 300 bucks every month for a feed, lol, which on MT4... is.... drumroll..... FREE

I know who Sam is, and what his role is within said organisation, so although its admirable him ghosting up on threads saying come to me trading room for free... there is an ulterior motive... sell the package, sell the monthly feed!!! make bucks out of gullible consumers.

The system works, in the right hands... for sure!! I know, i was there when it was invented almost a decade ago.

But if you think i am going to let people get fleeced for something that is 100% free, think again.
 
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My newbie comment was not based on his trading experience, moreover, his experience with traderhouse/shearman/fxmm... who i have know closely and had dealings with going back to circa 2002/3. Sam was implying i was the new kid on the block etc... i swiftly slammed that door shut.

My point is, many people are being fleeced for this system, 5000 bucks for the software... which is 100% replaicated on MT4 with the right indicator with the right ma/fib level.s

Then, you got to pay almost 300 bucks every month for a feed, lol, which on MT4... is.... drumroll..... FREE

I know who Sam is, and what his role is within said organisation, so although its admirable him ghosting up on threads saying come to me trading room for free... there is an ulterior motive... sell the package, sell the monthly feed!!! make bucks out of gullible consumers.

The system works, in the right hands... for sure!! I know, i was there when it was invented almost a decade ago.

But if you think i am going to let people get fleeced for something that is 100% free, think again.

Faceman,

First off, there is no mt4 indicator that gives you what the money map gives you. I have already seen what is out there, and it is not even close. you say 100%? If you say there is one for free, then please tell me where i can get it so i can see if there's any validity....

I know you know the moneymap works because I have actually seen your posts on other forums and you seem to really be on the search for indicators that replicate it.

Even if your mt4 indicator is close (which it isnt) you still have to learn how to trade it.. two traders working the same system will have drastically different results, It takes a good trader to work a good system. The indicator isnt going to trade for you. You need the support system that goes with it, like 200 other traders all using the same tool to trade together live.

Also the moneymap is not just software, if you buy, you are automically a lifetime member to the online traderoom, where you trade with Andy, and hundreds of other traders, many very successful that are happy to assist you and are also calling trades..
basically you are getting lifetime training by trading with consistent traders on a daily basis. This is the most positive online traderoom I have ever been aparrt of. Very supportive traders, all willing to help the newbies..

The system works, in the right hands... for sure!!

That's right, I prove it everyday in front of hundreds of other traders and I have the ability to show anyone how to use it regardless of their learning style. You do NOT have to buy the software to join my room. the $249 per month is all you will pay.

If at a later point you WANT to buy the software, then you can. The feed charge is NOT$300 as you say, faceman, but $199. that is the only way moneymap traders can have freedom to choose their own broker. If we allow a broker to provide feed , basically all traders would be forced to use one broker. That would never fly with our traders. Our traders prefer to have the freedom. and $199 /month is one standard lot 20 pip trade. that is your entire overhead in this business. And again, because you keep insinuating that traderhouse makes the profit on the feed. you are wrong. The feed is outsourced.

Also, My motives for the webcam have never been a secret, manface. from day one I have told people to come trade with me, if they want, they can subscribe. In fact, what I do is NOT good for business. What's good for business is that I follow that business model that's gonna trap the most people: set up a squeeze page. funnel traffic through with a hyped up sales page with all these wild promises and holy grail images JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. Or I can do it like I wish someone did it for me.. and provide complete transparency from the beginning...I know I wont get as many subscribers because I am not using the state of the art selling techniques, but I will get subscribers that are serious about learning to trade, these are the subscribers i want.

Also, what you say about Mr. Shearman has nothing to do with any one's success as a trader on this board. That is what I am here for. That is why I do what i do on the webcam. I know there are a lot of scams out there, I had to wade through the b.s. myself when I was starting out. I know its scary to make a commitment without really knowing if you're going to be successful or if you're being scammed..

So, for those out there that want to learn how to TRADE, and not get caught up in this B.S. about if somebody ten years ago may or may not have fudged some statements or some sh!t like that has anything to do with any one here's trading..

don't listen to people who have nothing to spread but negative energy, with nothing REAL to contribute. And then act like they're the people on this board's savior by "not letting them get fleeced?"

like i said before, manface, people like that are a dime a dozen.

Why dont we start a new thread where we can compare the moneymap grids to whatever indicator you think you have.

Sam
 
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Sam, did you say.. you got to learn how to use the map? :clap::LOL:

very funny, considering i was one of the pioneers of the system.. you are funny/deluded/gophered up!

Let me explain... i have had a MT4 version coded, all it needed was the 7 MA levels, and the 7 Fibonacci Shadows... thats it!! That is what the MoneyMap is.... get the right levels, and its easy enough with the existing MT4 indicators out there to adjust accordingly.

Also, you seem to be getting a little rattled, hence the play on names, why? you got nothing to hide, so relax, partner.. lol

Now... guess where I HELPED get the original levels for MoneyMap? (always remember i was in this business way before you, so know WAY more than you)

Pronet. That's where!

Put A+B together, and tweak it, smarten it up.. and voila.

Then test it, alongside the actual MM... and voila... identical grids on every pair...

FOR FREE, no $249 a month, the system is a piece of urine to trade, most systems are easy to trade, not rocket science.. which is why you get old ladies and truck drivers being successful.

The pyschology of trading/money management etc.. that you are asking people to pay you 249 bucks for is also, highly amusing.

Let me ask (i know the answer, always remember i know why andy set up the virtual traderrooms for people to view into) if you get people coming to viewing your traderroom, for free or for 249 bucks or whatever you want to charge.....

is your ultimate goal not to lure them into spending 5000 bucks for the software and then the montly 300 bucks?
 
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great opening on usdjpy grid on the downside and nice 30 pip space above 5910 area cable

got to love the non farms for clearing up the space and momentum on the grids ;)
 
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is your ultimate goal not to lure them into spending 5000 bucks for the software and then the montly 300 bucks?

The answer is no. You never have to buy software.. This is not Andy's room. This is my room, so not sure why you keep mixing us up.

My point is, many people are being fleeced for this system

did you notice I post the chat transcripts on this thread also, do the traders on the chat transcripts seem like they are pissed off and feel like they have been taken advantage of and scammed? No, you will find nothing but gracious comments and appreciation for the service I provide. And most of those on the chat are full purchase clients..

btw, I thought your response was going to have instructions on how to get this indicator you speak of. Where is it? lets see it. dont you want to help everyone on this board out? why dont you provide a link to it, and then we can all look at it and judge for ourselves.

in other words, put up or shut up, because you havent actually said anything yet, just been running your mouth..

i was one of the pioneers of the system..

...good one.
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In another post on Sam's other thread, I gave the example of TRM and the one that introduced me to the ichimoku cloud. The point is I received a tremendous reward from when I used to subscribe to TRM, and then when someone introduced me to the ichimoku. I'm benefitting everyday from the cloud, and this is because of someone's introduction. Hindisght says they deserved to be rewarded.
What's the difference here? Sam made it clear he is not charging $5,000 for the software. He charges a fee for an element of his service. His transparency has proven he is not a con man. That should be the end of the story as far as his reputation is concerned. I spent a day in his web room, and he still hasn't asked me for a dime--lol. I encourage all newbies to join his web room, and make up your own mind.
Faceman, you mentioned you are the pioneer of Sam's system or software. I wouldn't want to call you a liar, because I don't know you. But, I'd like for you to prove it. If you can't, then it is time to bud out of Sam's business. He has proven his success, whether you can deal with that fact or not. So far, all you have shown is a lot of rhetoric and an intent to tear him down.
Show your software that you are the pioneer of, place the trades as you see them in this forum, so all can see. You claimed it can be gotten on MT4 platform with a few of their indicators. Show us how to do it. Be of a geunine service to this forum.
I know one thing. I "pioneered" the usage of my S&R's. I am ready , to not give away my formulas, but to show anyone how to use them properly, and then let people be amazed.
I had nothing to do with the Forex TRM bands, which is a paid service. I am happy to show anyone how they work. (Do not accuse me of marketing them. I don't.)
You can't argue with the proof behind the words or transparency. We can argue with you and show that all you have done is just blow off a bag of wind, to this point. I'd like to see some action behind those words.
 
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Wow, I just popped in to see what's been happening. I don't know what all the hot air is about but I attended one of Sams sessions for free. It was very professional, cordial, we made some money, and I don't recall ever feeling any pressure at all to subscribe or buy anything.
As has been said several times here, Sam made things very clear in his first post, right up front, and he has lived up to what he said.

The greatest measure of success is how hard others are trying to knock you down.

2 thumbs up from me. (y) (y)

Peter
 
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Sam, you know me, or will have heard my name mentioned by the gang over in London for sure... morty, kash, norm(grandad), et al

know me well enough... i honestly laugh in your face, i'm sure a little digging will reveal me, if you ask nicely, i may teach you what i taught them :cool:

i have been contacted on PM by 6 people off this forum who have all been provided with the MT4 system, any more that like the moneymap, and your trading room... will of course come to me, before they spend dosh licensing/buying it from you.

100% FREE.

As it should be.

Happy tading.
 
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Faceman. Do you believe that sam is making the pips he says he is using his methods.If so then he has a right to sell the software.However simple it may be. I get annoyed when its a total rip off or when traders come on here and make claims they never back up. The software is not for me but credit has to be given,from what I can tell,all his trades are live in real time,he cant be fairer than that. is there something im missing,if so please let me know,i hate scammers
 
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Faceman. Do you believe that sam is making the pips he says he is using his methods.If so then he has a right to sell the software.However simple it may be. I get annoyed when its a total rip off or when traders come on here and make claims they never back up. The software is not for me but credit has to be given,from what I can tell,all his trades are live in real time,he cant be fairer than that. is there something im missing,if so please let me know,i hate scammers

Flasheart, did you read all the posts? or caught bits?

I know the software very well, i helped develop it almost a decade ago with the owner of the business. He worked with a family friend in the City in the early 80s .. we were introduced around 2002 times... etc

The methodolgy is simple, 7 moving avergaes, with 7 fib levels over 4 times frames, correllation on all 4 frames = trade... that is the product in its simplest form, there are other minor intracacies in how to use it.... never once have i said anything about it... aside from the 5000 dollar cost up front, and then the 300 buck monthly fee to use it LOL

i have had the 100% replica method recreated on MT4, fully tested to 100% not 99.99%... but 100% replicate that exact same levels on the moneymap software.

As Sam is a good guy, and not looking to make any money from anybody... just share his wealth of experience for the good folk on here who see it on his live webcam...

all i am doing is offering the same software for free.

everybody is a winner, sam is the good guy helping people for FREE to use the software... i am the good guy giving people the MT4 version ( only cost me circa 700 quid to pay a programmer ) for FREE.

is there a problem here? not sure there is!!
 
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The methodolgy is simple, 7 moving avergaes, with 7 fib levels over 4 times frames, correllation on all 4 frames = trade... that is the product in its simplest form, there are other minor intracacies in how to use it.... never once have i said anything about it... aside from the 5000 dollar cost up front, and then the 300 buck monthly fee to use it LOL

i have had the 100% replica method recreated on MT4, fully tested to 100% not 99.99%... but 100% replicate that exact same levels on the moneymap software.

As Sam is a good guy, and not looking to make any money from anybody... just share his wealth of experience for the good folk on here who see it on his live webcam...

all i am doing is offering the same software for free.

everybody is a winner, sam is the good guy helping people for FREE to use the software... i am the good guy giving people the MT4 version ( only cost me circa 700 quid to pay a programmer ) for FREE.

is there a problem here? not sure there is!!

Thanks for a free lunch.Mt4 and moving averages should be easy in hindsight.What happens in a ranging choppy market to those lagging ma signals of system.If the market got stuck in a daily range of around 70 pips,or volatility increased and market ranged up and down for a few months in a 100 pip range, or market just started making sudden moves without any relation to the moving averages, or the mas set ups failed consistently for a few months,would anyone have the confidence to keep trading it?How could it make money in these conditions?

Do you a system to make people into real traders ,that is traders who do not use any systems?
 
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Thanks for a free lunch.Mt4 and moving averages should be easy in hindsight.What happens in a ranging choppy market to those lagging ma signals of system.If the market got stuck in a daily range of around 70 pips,or volatility increased and market ranged up and down for a few months in a 100 pip range, or market just started making sudden moves without any relation to the moving averages, or the mas set ups failed consistently for a few months,would anyone have the confidence to keep trading it?How could it make money in these conditions?

Do you a system to make people into real traders ,that is traders who do not use any systems?

It's a scalping system quintisentially, time frames used are 1, 5, 15, 60 mins.

Ranging for months means jack diddly for this system, you should typically be out of a trade within minutes if all was set up correctly.

No system is 100%, never has been, never will be, therefore a freak thai bank dumping a yard of yen will spook the market, even the most liquid market on earth, FX, which is why you set stops and stick to them... but that is moving more into the realms of trading methodolgy in general, as opposed to specifically trading this system.

Anyway, it works, for sure, i have seen it work for almost a decade... patience is the key, the set ups will come, just wait for them, dont make them happen.. let them happen.
 
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