But I was doing so well...

hwsteele

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I have been looking for what I am about to post stated flat out, but have not been able to find it so I thought that I would state it simply to maybe help some folks out.

Tell me if this sounds like something you have heard before… (Or maybe have experienced)

You have a system and it seems to work great. All goes well for some time and then all of the sudden it starts to fail. Those wins that you could practically pull off in your sleep are nowhere to be found and almost every trade you make is a loser.

Now you are smart enough to use a stop loss and good money management so you don’t kill yourself in only three or four trades

BUT

What happened to all the winning?
The account is shrinking just as fast as it grew…why?

In most cases of the above the following is your answer:
(Now please keep in mind this is for the sake of newer traders. Folks who have been trading for a while know this even if they don’t seem to know they know it.)

Any freely traded market’s price can only do two things.

1: Trend
2: Consolidate

And it can only do one at a time.
(I know a market can be trending on an hour chart and not on a daily, but what I am talking about is from any static perception. A lot of people/systems pick a time frame or two to trade from and that becomes their perception of that market.)

Here is why there will never be a “holy grail” that always wins…

You trade the two market types in OPPOSITE ways.

If the market you are trading is trending well and you are using a trending type of system you will be successful until the market starts to consolidate on a large scale.
Before when you would enter the market in the direction of the trend, because the market was trending, you would win. Once the market started a large scale consolidation your system would be stopped out quite a bit if not most of the time.

If you are trading a trending market with a consolidation type system you will lose most of the time because those systems look for and trade reversals.
If you are in a consolidating market and trading with a consolidation type system then you will make a killing.
Up to the point where the market starts to trend again. Then you will lose and fast.

The above is a good part of why most successful traders will tell you to leave “systems” alone and learn to trade what you see.
Or at least have multiple setups/systems to use and then learn to identify the current market type.

I know the above is NOT new information, but like I said before I have not seen it stated plainly before (and I could have easily missed it as I don’t have the time to read all or even most of the forum).
I know when I was starting out if I had been able to just read the above it would have saved me months of stupid mistakes. That is if I was smart enough to take it to heart.
 
imo people and there systems fail as they are to short sighted. people wana trade in minutes and hours, not days and week. they wana make there millions this year, not over 10 years. the faster you try to run the more you fall down.

take my thread for instance people have come on and said "x" market has gone agasint you, perhaps in the short term, but think long term.

every time i have failed in trading it has been from being impatient
 
imo people and there systems fail as they are to short sighted. people wana trade in minutes and hours, not days and week. they wana make there millions this year, not over 10 years. the faster you try to run the more you fall down.

take my thread for instance people have come on and said "x" market has gone agasint you, perhaps in the short term, but think long term.

every time i have failed in trading it has been from being impatient

AMEN!

We trade very differently but that statement fits just as well.

Peter
 
AMEN!

We trade very differently but that statement fits just as well.

Peter

Stop day trading and you will succeed or you will find that you will hit a streak of losing trades that will completely damage your trading psychology.
 
Stop day trading and you will succeed or you will find that you will hit a streak of losing trades that will completely damage your trading psychology.

ahhh, I've been succeeding for many years now daytrading. I meant that if I stop following my own rules I usually find myself in the hole on a trade.

Peter

ADDED: Showing my age here but for laughs... I used to daytrade (and swing trade)before online trading existed. I had to call the broker for quotes and trades all day long. I used to have 2 phone lines in my bedroom where I traded, 1 to call my broker, and one my broker would be calling me on...just in case we tried to call each other at the same time. I look back now and just shake my head and laugh! Those were the days!
 
ADDED: Showing my age here but for laughs... I used to daytrade (and swing trade)before online trading existed. I had to call the broker for quotes and trades all day long. I used to have 2 phone lines in my bedroom where I traded, 1 to call my broker, and one my broker would be calling me on...just in case we tried to call each other at the same time. I look back now and just shake my head and laugh! Those were the days!


And it was all fields around here in those days.

:)
 
Any freely traded market’s price can only do two things.

1: Trend
2: Consolidate

I would say it can do 3 things, Trend, Range and Whipsaw. This is also highly affected by the time frame chosen to trade and whipsaw is the most difficult in my view to trade.


Paul
 
ADDED: Showing my age here but for laughs... I used to daytrade (and swing trade)before online trading existed. I had to call the broker for quotes and trades all day long. I used to have 2 phone lines in my bedroom where I traded, 1 to call my broker, and one my broker would be calling me on...just in case we tried to call each other at the same time. I look back now and just shake my head and laugh! Those were the days!

lol.. when I first started "day trading" I used yahoo's INDU data and was constantly refreshing the page (every 3mins) to see the updated chart while hitting buy/sell on Finspreads platform. That was before I discovered ADVFN..:p
 
imo people and there systems fail as they are to short sighted. people wana trade in minutes and hours, not days and week. they wana make there millions this year, not over 10 years. the faster you try to run the more you fall down.

take my thread for instance people have come on and said "x" market has gone agasint you, perhaps in the short term, but think long term.

every time i have failed in trading it has been from being impatient

The shorter the time frame the closer the stop can be, therefore the less is lost per trade..

I know that this is a simple way of looking at things and things ain't that simple but a long timeframe, to me, means taking an awfully big chance that you must be right because of the loss if one is wrong.

Less trades per week, of course, for the long term trader, but I like to be out before the close every day.

I suppose that it is a matter of the character of each trader. Let's make a pact. I won't worry about you and don't you worry about me.
 
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