Trading after work 7pm-12am GMT

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Hi guys, a few questions.

I have read a few books and opened a demo account with Oanda (can anyone recommend a better free unlimited demo?), which I plan to use for 12 months or so before getting into the real thing. Anyway, I will be trading intraday, but only after I get home from work, which is about 7pm GMT. So I have two questions:

1) I am planning on only focusing on one currency pair, getting to know it and apply some strategies. Is this common, i.e. to only trade one pair?

2) Which pair has the highest volatility during these hours (7pm-12am GMT)

Thanks and regards.
 
E-mini S&P or Dow is where the action is in the evenings, as for Forex I dont remember there being much movement in the evenings, at least not compared to the e-minis. Also you'll be done by 9pm on the e minis.
 
Sorry, e-mini? I'm only interested in fx. I assume as US markets open untill about 10pm gmt there might be some movement up untill then. Thanks for replying.
 
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the major currency pairs, from my observation, are becoming "flat" at about 8.30 pm (UK time). And btw, S&P is quite frankly much more volatile during the hours you ve mentioned. You could as well trade from a daily chart - enter early morning and monitor let`s say during the lunchtime and eventually exit in the evening. Otherwise E-mini S&P or Dow would be the optimum choice for me. Good luck
 
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Hi
the major currency pairs, from my observations, are becoming "flat" at about 8.30 pm. And btw, S&P is quite frankly much more volatile during the hours you ve mentioned. You could as well trade from a daily chart - enter early morning and monitor let`s say during the lunchtime and eventually exit in the evening. Otherwise E-mini S&P or Dow is the optimum. Good luck


Thanks, so its not looking good in terms of learning FX with limited trading hours. So much for it being a 24 hour market, I guess the real movements come during the time I am sitting at work, often with no internet access!
 
Thanks, so its not looking good in terms of learning FX with limited trading hours. So much for it being a 24 hour market, I guess the real movements come during the time I am sitting at work, often with no internet access!

Yeah:D
intra-day trading is just one of the techniques, there are other good strategies for forex, otherwise could be difficult. E-mini S&P or Dow sounds good to me. Cheers
 
Thanks, so its not looking good in terms of learning FX with limited trading hours. So much for it being a 24 hour market, I guess the real movements come during the time I am sitting at work, often with no internet access!


When I started I tried to trade forex, I think I read somewhere that it was the best for daytrading. Like many things you read on these boards that was nonsense.

I only started making progress when I started looking at the e mini futures, my other big step forward was to forget about spreadbetting and trade the real futures market. I trade, or at least look at the market, from about midday.The real action starts at 2.30pm, usually slows a lot between 5pm and 7pm and then kicks off again up to the cash close at 9pm (all times UK). If you are trading short term you should get a few opportunities in your time window.
 
When I started I tried to trade forex, I think I read somewhere that it was the best for daytrading. Like many things you read on these boards that was nonsense.

I only started making progress when I started looking at the e mini futures, my other big step forward was to forget about spreadbetting and trade the real futures market. I trade, or at least look at the market, from about midday.The real action starts at 2.30pm, usually slows a lot between 5pm and 7pm and then kicks off again up to the cash close at 9pm (all times UK). If you are trading short term you should get a few opportunities in your time window.

Thanks. How much capital must one risk to trade the e-minis? I have read some tech books, but these were on forex. I guess similar theory applies. Also are there any emini free demo accs? Also, from what you said it implied you trade forex but on a longer term strategy, am I right?
 
Thanks. How much capital must one risk to trade the e-minis? I have read some tech books, but these were on forex. I guess similar theory applies. Also are there any emini free demo accs? Also, from what you said it implied you trade forex but on a longer term strategy, am I right?

No I dont even look at forex any more, it was a disaster for me.

I think the minimum account size to trade the e minis is $5000. One contract (like 1 forex lot) is worth $12.50 per tick (like a forex pip) so quite high leverage, I trade with an 8 tick stoploss every trade so risking $100 per trade only.

I have tradestation but I would imagine that nearly all the brokers/charting packages will have a demo mode. Tradestation fees are quite high so there is probably a cheaper solution out there. Have a look at North Finance, they do a free demo with live data but I'm not sure if they have the e minis or not.
 
No I dont even look at forex any more, it was a disaster for me.

I think the minimum account size to trade the e minis is $5000. One contract (like 1 forex lot) is worth $12.50 per tick (like a forex pip) so quite high leverage, I trade with an 8 tick stoploss every trade so risking $100 per trade only.

I have tradestation but I would imagine that nearly all the brokers/charting packages will have a demo mode. Tradestation fees are quite high so there is probably a cheaper solution out there. Have a look at North Finance, they do a free demo with live data but I'm not sure if they have the e minis or not.

Thanks for the advice. I will look into it. Do you have any resources to read - I am a noob to this game.
 
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E-Mini (Stock Index Futures)

Futures Fundamentals: Introduction

Support & Resistance Basics

james16 Chart Thread - Forex Factory though this one is a bit long, just read about PIN bars and nothing else.

MetaTrader 4 Client Terminal appears to offer e mini S&P, free demo

Many thanks for that. I am OK with the basic theory etc, (just took level one CFA yesterday - told myself must do something useful after the exam, as I dont get to use my brain as much as i'd like at work) its just how to develop a strategy / what strategy to use that I need help on. I mean did you try your own strategies when you started or use one that was recommended on the boards?
 
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Hi guys, a few questions.

I have read a few books and opened a demo account with Oanda (can anyone recommend a better free unlimited demo?), which I plan to use for 12 months or so before getting into the real thing. Anyway, I will be trading intraday, but only after I get home from work, which is about 7pm GMT. So I have two questions:

1) I am planning on only focusing on one currency pair, getting to know it and apply some strategies. Is this common, i.e. to only trade one pair?

2) Which pair has the highest volatility during these hours (7pm-12am GMT)

Thanks and regards.

Hi John999

Your plan to trade intra-day is sound, and even more so, given that you plan to become familiar with the workings of one pair at a time.

In my view, you need to look at liquidity, spread and volatility as opposed to volatility alone. A highly volatile currency pair can gap clear past your entry/exit without giving you a fill, but at the same time, deliver you a nasty loss. To avoid this situation, you need high liquidity - see the 3 pairs below.

In order to compromise between the three of these pillars, you could focus on one of these:

USDJPY
EURUSD
GBPUSD

The GBPUSD would be my recommendation for you, because it is your home currency pair, and has nice Daily Range, as well as being highly liquid, with low spread. It's called "cable" because of the Atlantic Telecommunications Cable linking USA with GB. When this pair moves, it's "look out" because the moves can be fast and spectacular.

Many forums have threads dedicated to this pair, and discuss the idiosyncracies of it.

The EURUSD would be my second pick. It is more reliable in trending, but equally prone to sentimental reversals lately - succumbing to the whims of the market when the Fundamantals seemingly support trending in the opposite direction. In this sense, trading the EURUSD is better suited to strictly Technical Analysis methodology right now - forget the Fundamentals. The pair is the most liquid, but has a lesser daily range (ATR) normally than cable.

USDJPY also has a nice daily range, but I am sure whichever pair you choose, you will discover things that will help you with an edge, and lead to higher probability of success.

Now, if I may throw 2p of advice into the ring ...

When starting out trading, try to trade the longer Time Frame charts, such as the daily or weekly. I realise that because your working hours prohibit your participation in the daily chart trades, you are aiming for intra-day trading.

Thats' OK - but at least look at the Daily/Weekly background trends before considering placing your trades. If I were in your place, I would be looking at the 4H charts to trade from. These take longer to develop, and have far less "noise" than the scalping time-frames. I have had 5 years trading experience, and still can not scalp successfully - the action is too hard and fast at times, and even when I seem to be doing well, a series of stopped out trades will undo all my good work!!

Not for me I'm afraid.

Regarding a demo trading account: I think MT4 is probably the best for learner-drivers!

I have used MT4 from IBFX - FXPro - ODLSecurities - and North Finance. It really matters little - you don't have to give accurate details except for your email address, and gmail is accepted. I think my phone number was a digit short of the truth too. I still use MT4, and place my live trades with another online broker.

Most of the platforms say they are for 30 days, but if you are actively using them, they do not expire. If they do expire on you, you just click on "File" then "Open an Account" and simply reopen a new one on the same platform. You get to keep the same indicators and templates, because these are created and stored on your own computer files in "Programmes".

A good feature with MT4 is the ability to trade 1/10th lots (minis) as well as micro's (1/100th of a lot. Each pip in a mini a/c is worth $1 and for a micro, 10 cents.

Hope that helps, and good luck with it all. Don't stop asking questions, and try to find other traders in your own locality. Any trader would gladly share with you whatever pitfalls they have discovered, as well as useful tips.

It's a fortunate trader indeed who finds a mentor early in his trading career.

Best wishes

Ivan
 
When you place trades on a demo account I think it is wise to treat it just like a live account. Otherwise, when you go to trade real money your emotions will destroy your account and you will make different decisions than you did on the demo.
 
When you place trades on a demo account I think it is wise to treat it just like a live account. Otherwise, when you go to trade real money your emotions will destroy your account and you will make different decisions than you did on the demo.

I would put it the other way! Trade on LIVE as you trade on DEMO ;-) The main problem that occurs when you switch to LIVE is that idea "Oh sh**t - this is real money..I can't lose it". So you skip trades and earn nothing. Than you look at your results and they vary so much compared to DEMo that you say" I have to earn something!". And you do the most stupid things you can. Eventually you lose all money.
 
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