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Hey all,

I was just wondering: what is most people preffered method of trading? e.g swing, trend or day? - also if the int. rates go up why does a bond's value decrease? - also.....say if a certain stock going bear - doesn't that indicate a buy as it could go back to its informer self of bull - or is the fact that it may keep falling untill its bust that worries people? - i guess to some these may seem obvious and basic but i have myown thoughts but want know the actuall reasons why?

thanks,
 
Hey all,

I was just wondering: what is most people preffered method of trading? e.g swing, trend or day? - also if the int. rates go up why does a bond's value decrease? - also.....say if a certain stock going bear - doesn't that indicate a buy as it could go back to its informer self of bull - or is the fact that it may keep falling untill its bust that worries people? - i guess to some these may seem obvious and basic but i have myown thoughts but want know the actuall reasons why?

thanks,

my preffered method, but not my only one, is to trade with the trend, buying (or selling) on pull backs, speculating that the trade vehicle will resume the direction of the trend.
I use RSI to confirm price action signals, people say it 'lags" but to me it's the absolute strongest correlation of what is happening underneath current price action.

You're absolutely right that a stock (or whatever vehicle) whose price has fallen very low can be a very profitable purchase. the key to that though is knowing when enough is enough and when the decline is over. Guessing that is the key, the trick to being successful, and it's nigh on impossible :clap:
 
if the int. rates go up why does a bond's value decrease?

because a bond is a fixed income security - meaning, it will have a certain yield rate that is fixed at say 6% - so for every €100k in the bond, it will pay €6k per annum.

if interest rates go up, for example, from 4% to 5% then the yield from the bond is less attractive (you could put your money in the bank) and so the value of the bond falls.
 
Thanks for reply's

Am i right in believing trend trading is generally the longest method of trading but with larger returns?

I am looking to start trading and have always been fascinated with it but couldn't get a job in front office with lack of university degree, but i have managed to get a role in operations but from word of mouth i am a little sceptical of my chances of moving onto a trading desk (just due to not having a degree) - so i have decided to just self trade out of work - from reading posts, books... etc i think i shall go into the forex markets as its 24 hour trading so i can do it out of work to supplement my income - then i kind of decided to have swing trading as my method because its meant to be easiest for novice strategies - please correct if i am wrong with any of this - So trading my self of my own capital is risky but i am confident in my self but, how important is having mathematics for trading?


Ok so with a fixed income security: To me, if the interest rates go up shouldn't that generate a more attractive yield? - say with a mortgage bond, if the rates rise, doesn't that mean the borrower of the bond will get more of a dividend, thus increasing the value of the bond?? - i find it hard to comprehend but its gradually unfolding.

Any advice on good books to gain knowledge on trading - i have mainly read novel's such as rouge trader and liars poker but i guess i want something more factual
 
Ok so with a fixed income security: To me, if the interest rates go up shouldn't that generate a more attractive yield? - say with a mortgage bond, if the rates rise, doesn't that mean the borrower of the bond will get more of a dividend, thus increasing the value of the bond?? - i find it hard to comprehend but its gradually unfolding.

no, if interest rates go up, then the difference between the rates you'd get at a bank vs the rate on the bond narrows.

the yield on the bond is fixed at a preset rate and doesnt change if interest rates change, so if rates go up, the relative yield on the bond goes down.
 
ok so trial & error seems like my best bet - it would be nice to have my own unique strategy to get that edge over competitors but im only 20 and just starting out, but theres is enough info on this site for to be a pro - so im just going to read everything, make notes, and hopefully reap the rewards!!
 
Thanks for reply's

Am i right in believing trend trading is generally the longest method of trading but with larger returns?

I am looking to start trading and have always been fascinated with it but couldn't get a job in front office with lack of university degree, but i have managed to get a role in operations but from word of mouth i am a little sceptical of my chances of moving onto a trading desk (just due to not having a degree) - so i have decided to just self trade out of work - from reading posts, books... etc i think i shall go into the forex markets as its 24 hour trading so i can do it out of work to supplement my income - then i kind of decided to have swing trading as my method because its meant to be easiest for novice strategies - please correct if i am wrong with any of this - So trading my self of my own capital is risky but i am confident in my self but, how important is having mathematics for trading?


Ok so with a fixed income security: To me, if the interest rates go up shouldn't that generate a more attractive yield? - say with a mortgage bond, if the rates rise, doesn't that mean the borrower of the bond will get more of a dividend, thus increasing the value of the bond?? - i find it hard to comprehend but its gradually unfolding.

Any advice on good books to gain knowledge on trading - i have mainly read novel's such as rouge trader and liars poker but i guess i want something more factual


and trend trading does generally generate large returns - simply because your going to make more money (or loose) on a BIG move than a small one -
Also,to learn about trading a bit, the Barings disaster is probably one of the best examples of what NOT to copy-
Its a bit more boring, but some knowledge of dow theory and basic candlestick charting would im sure impress those desk managers more than a degree and NO COMMON SENSE WHATSOEVER... !! - (there are a LOT of them about) :p
 
Ok, that was a bit silly of me with the fact they are catorgarised into "fixed income"

I still find it bit hard to comprhend - but il get around it -

Would you say that maths is as important as its made out to be- sure it would be an advantage but im under the impression most front office staff (apart from sales) are phds etc...........is this the case? or is everyone on here self traders at home?
 
thanks for help,


I can imagine, there's a few threads on here that explain technical analysis and now when i look at a chart the first thing i look for is the support, resistance and trend line, i learnt allot about candlestick charting from a brokerage house i worked in so i think i already have a good foundation to be built on - but without something on paper i wont even get a chance! - when you say dow theory are you referring to the dow jones or something different?
What exams/courses have people taken in the past which proved useful? - i am starting to the IMC (investment management certificate) is that a good idea, or is there something else i should spend time on?

Also another Q: what actually is a reversal?
 
Ok, that was a bit silly of me with the fact they are catorgarised into "fixed income"

I still find it bit hard to comprhend - but il get around it -

Would you say that maths is as important as its made out to be- sure it would be an advantage but im under the impression most front office staff (apart from sales) are phds etc...........is this the case? or is everyone on here self traders at home?


" QUANTS " do earn BIG $$ - and a lot of them do have PHDs, but its a specialised field - !!
They are different areas, with different skill sets -
Its like when you get " ACCOUNTANTS " or someone with accountancy training behind them - they think they AUTOMATICALLY master EVERYTHING and will make money from day one -
(thats why they work as accountants and not trade the markets for a living) -
 
Ok, that was a bit silly of me with the fact they are catorgarised into "fixed income"

I still find it bit hard to comprhend - but il get around it -

Would you say that maths is as important as its made out to be- sure it would be an advantage but im under the impression most front office staff (apart from sales) are phds etc...........is this the case? or is everyone on here self traders at home?

Its simple. The bond ALWAYS pays interest of say 5%.

If you get 10% on an immediate access savings ac...would you buy a bond for £100 giving you 5%.....not really unless you wanted real security!

Would you buy the same bond for £50........now 10% income.

If not would you buy the same bond for £25........a Goverment backed security??

As you can imagine the price of the Bond fluctuates with interest rates.
 
Thanks for reply's

Am i right in believing trend trading is generally the longest method of trading but with larger returns?

etc i think i shall go into the forex markets as its 24 hour trading so i can do it out of work to supplement my income - then i kind of decided to have swing trading as my method because its meant to be easiest for novice strategies -

IMHO you're better off, with a lack of time to actively monitor the markets, to trade off the daily charts - set your trades up during the period when the market is closed. Establish firm entry points (either Buy/Sell Limits or Buy/Sell Stops)
Some days you might not get triggered, but that's ok, there's always another day.
Establish clear Target points to exit at profitably.
And make sure you also set up your hard Stop-loss to get you out of the trade if it gets triggered but goes against you.
Then walk away from the market; don't even look at price, don't get fixated on every tick up or down. Switch off your charting package. Don't switch on again until after the markets close and you start your assessment for the next day.

Either you'll get triggered or you won't.
If you get triggered, either you'll hit your target and make money or you'll get stopped out and lose money. Cold simple, unemotional. Ruthless.
(I'm avoiding the question of what happens if you get triggered but don't hit either target by close at End of Day- up to you whether to close out EOD or stay in overnight)

Two lessons from my years backing horses for a living: I used to love watching races (well as an ex-jockey who could blame me?) But whenever I had an "interest" in a particular race, I wouldn't watch it. just check the results afterwards to see how my evaluation had fared. Take the emotion out.
Secondly, don't bet on every race and at any price. Wait until everything comes together - the right horse for the right race at the right odds. Just like trading. Newbies think they have to jump in and trade every tick, every indicator cross, every whatever. Wrong. Be patient for your set ups.


Exercise very very conservative money management (MM) - only risk 1-2% of your trading equity on any one trade
Example:
you have $10,000 in your account. 2% of that is $200.
So if you're trading a currency pair that is worth $10 a pip, your hard stop-loss should be no more than 20 pips.
Which is very tight, which means you will likely get hit by market noise and stopped out which will erode your capital even if 100% trades had gone your way eventually.
How to overcome that ?
Simple - Use wider stops !
But you can't because that would mean risking more than 2% of your capital. Welcome to the wonderful world of Catch-22 trading :D
I'd say the single most frequent reason traders wash out is because their equity is too small to start with. Either they keep getting stopped out, and thereby losing money, by meaningless market noise, or else they overtrade - risking more than reasonable MM would recommend.
Sorry, hardly words of encouragement, but you'll find out sooner rather than later how tough this game is.
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Another suggestion that comes to mind, depending on what time zone you're in and if you're determined for a little bit of "live" action.

Wait for the opening of the YM. If it gaps up or down from the cash session close of the previous day, there is a statistically significant likelihood that the gap will be filled same day. particularly if the overnight trading and pre-market volme is low.

Many days there's no gap. But it happens more frequently than you may think.
So when a set-up occurs, place your orders to go long or short, target just a couple of point shy of the point where the gap would fill.
eg if the cash session closed yesterday at 650 but gapped down on today's opening to 615 then your target should be 647/648.
Work out how many points that could potentially profit you, in this case 32 or 33 and set your Stop-loss accordingly (at a 1:1 ratio that would obviously be at 583/582)

You're not going to get rich quick this way, but if you want a little fun in the markets, at the same time as having a statistical edge, and also providing useful experience and practice in determing risk/reward ratios, setting Stops, etc then this may be for you ? Or may not, mai pen rai, up to you.
At least you know there's a maximum potential of only 1 trade per day so you're not constantly hugging the screens for hours looking for new set-ups.
And it might be something you can do in your lunch hour ?

Good luck, hope it helps

ps, forgot one caveat - don't trade the Gap play if the gap is <10 or >70 points. The former isn't really a "gap" and anyway trying to fill for only 10 points is not worth the risk with the spread etc.
and anything over 70 could be an indication that professional money is behind a serious break-away gap
 
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Kind of going back to one of my first q's but, with the current market status, would it be a good time to buy in to a company whos value has decreased atm but a huge global company which is very likely to commence back to it prior standards? is it only people who currently hold shares that would be worried?

I have kind of opted against starting to trade forex - at first it seemed like a good idea due to the fact of 24 hour trading but i dont want to wake up one morning to find losses have occured - or is there ways around this?
 
Another suggestion ..........................there is a statistically significant likelihood that the gap will be filled same day.
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a couple of nice examples of the Gap play on the Dax this week, a Buy Stop followed two days later by a Sell Stop, both got triggered, both gaps got filled nicely shortly afterwards


(With thanks to Wasp from whom I pinched these charts to use as examples)
 

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