Whale trading blueprint

This is a discussion on Whale trading blueprint within the First Steps forums, part of the Reception category; Originally Posted by kenrawlings First of all Alanovic2 I appologise for going dyslexic on your name. And in reply to ...

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Old Sep 29, 2017, 12:24am   #9
 
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First of all Alanovic2 I appologise for going dyslexic on your name.

And in reply to Quantt about the Whale system:
Of course I agree that it is early days and that nearly four months' data is a relatively small sample.

Regarding auditing by accountants, I think you have missed the point.
The point is this:
I have given sufficient detail on every single trade so that ANYONE can scroll back through the brokers charts and verify for themselves that each of those trades actually happened, and gave the result that I logged in my spreadsheet.
I think you are missing the point... do you actually trade the system with real money or just selling it?
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Old Sep 29, 2017, 8:51am   #10
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I think you are missing the point... do you actually trade the system with real money or just selling it?
Hello Quantt. I'll make this my last post since I rarely visit forums.
I came here because Mark alerted me to this discussion.

I trade the Whale trades that are convenient for me: FTSE and DAX, since these markets open at 8am UK time. Occasionally I trade NASDAQ, i.e. around/after 2.30pm, but I prefer trading in the early morning. And I make decent money on them, thanks. The rest of the Whale trades I just observe when I get up: ASX and Nikkei start around 00:50 to 01:00 when I am asleep.

As I said before, I am simply an independent observer with no axe to grind. And nothing to sell.
What else can I say, to round this off?...

Quantt I appreciate that your are skeptical and negative on most systems or strategies as there is a lot of crap out there. But I have known Cameron and Mark for many years and I can confirm they are the real deal. They trade a live account which is audited in Australia and I gather that this is up 287% in 3 years of trading. Many of the Whale trades are responsible for this impressive return. I personally cannot corroborate this since I have only known the 'Whale plan' since June this year. It was their 'private plan' before that.

Mark and Cameron have also been on Sky News to discuss their results. They would not get interviewed if they were not real, profitable traders. They also have the courage to trade their Whale trades live in front of their clients; very few can do that in this industry. See the clip below.



I'm sure you will probably come back now saying these people are actors and not real. Cameron has the shaved head, by the way; Mark is the 'younger' looking one, but is actually the elder of the two. (Sorry Cameron, ho ho.) In any case I think Magnetic Trading have enough evidence out in the market to show they are the real deal and are changing people's lives.

The Whale trading programme will not be for everyone (such is life) and not everyone will make money due to making mistakes or not following the plan properly, but it is clear that it's not based on fluff!

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Old Sep 29, 2017, 10:32am   #11
 
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Hello Alvonic2, my name is Dr Ken Rawlings and I compile the Stats for Mark and Cameron's Whale Blueprint trading system. I am a private trader and I am indeed independent of these professional traders.

The whale Blueprint system started on 12 June 2017 so there is no data before that; there were no trades before that for me to look at.

The screenshots you are discussing are actually screenshots from my Stats spreadsheet. And they are correct. For example, I just manually added up the Gains in the August table, and the result is 6.01% if you do that. The table says 6.02% because of rounding errors: 6.02% is the correct answer. Please check your sums. Incidentally, the complete set of results for August showed a total Gain of 8.61%.

The other tables for June and July are also correct. Please check your sums.

With just one more trading day left in September, this month's total is currently standing at 4.74% Gain.

Please note that these results do not take spread into account. I use IG, as do Mark and Cameron. But since others may use different spread betting brokers where the spread will be different (e.g. 1 pip FTSE spread for IG), it makes sense not to include spread in my reports.

The effect of spread is to reduce Targets by the spread and to increase Stops by the spread. I estimate that real Gains, i.e. taking IG's spread into account, will be 15% to 20% less than the figures given in these 'zero spread' tables.

So, even with this adjustment, the monthly Gains are still quite impressive.
3 months of records are far from impressive, it can easy be a lucky run. Mark and his buddy state that the whale strategies are the ones that they personally use to make tons of money. So based on this statement, they must have been using them for quit a while, but for some unknown reasons they are unable or unwilling to provide verified records.

I was discussing this issue with Graham (the cashmaster dude) via email. During which I managed to get hold of a leaked part of the whale strategy presentation/manual. To cut a long story short, this caused Mark to join the debate. In which at the end I was only asking for proof of profit over a period of at least 2 year but at the end of the long chains of email this is the reply I've got.

"Hi Alan

I have just returned from my holidays.

Having reviewed your correspondence with Graham and your recent email I don't think we are a right fit for your trading and risk profile.

I wish you all the best, have a great weekend!

Cameron"

Any further attempts to contact Cameron were ignored. Very professional indeed!

I don't know if this is a scam or not, although after all of this I am more inclined to the latter. However I would at least expect prove of profitability from someone that is asking 5 grands for the strategies.
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Old Sep 29, 2017, 2:54pm   #12
 
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Hello Quantt. I'll make this my last post since I rarely visit forums...
I am still not clear what exactly your role is with this program and I'll be sad to see you go from the forum, but the more I look into this the more skeptical I become and the more this looks like the the next charlatan looking for newbies...

Being on TV is not a proof, one of the biggest scammers Jason Bond was invited to speak at Harvard, so that goes to show you suckers come from all forms of life, but the good news is you can prove me wrong very easy, just post the 3 years of the live trading results (and whatever back tested data you have before hand to cover the market cycle) and not only I am going to apologize, but I am going to offer a top dollar for the system...
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Old Sep 29, 2017, 3:05pm   #13
 
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Any further attempts to contact Cameron were ignored. Very professional indeed!

I don't know if this is a scam or not, although after all of this I am more inclined to the latter. However I would at least expect prove of profitability from someone that is asking 5 grands for the strategies.
I would definitely stay away from those guys... looking into the promotional video posted above, I can't help but notice most of the "students" look like retired elderly folks and this is just breaking my hart, because they have no way to recoup the unavoidable losses...
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Old Sep 29, 2017, 3:17pm   #14
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3 months of records are far from impressive, it can easy be a lucky run. Mark and his buddy state that the whale strategies are the ones that they personally use to make tons of money. So based on this statement, they must have been using them for quit a while, but for some unknown reasons they are unable or unwilling to provide verified records.

I was discussing this issue with Graham (the cashmaster dude) via email. During which I managed to get hold of a leaked part of the whale strategy presentation/manual. To cut a long story short, this caused Mark to join the debate. In which at the end I was only asking for proof of profit over a period of at least 2 year but at the end of the long chains of email this is the reply I've got.

"Hi Alan

I have just returned from my holidays.

Having reviewed your correspondence with Graham and your recent email I don't think we are a right fit for your trading and risk profile.

I wish you all the best, have a great weekend!

Cameron"

Any further attempts to contact Cameron were ignored. Very professional indeed!

I don't know if this is a scam or not, although after all of this I am more inclined to the latter. However I would at least expect prove of profitability from someone that is asking 5 grands for the strategies.

Yeah you do. Just go with it. It sounds like a scam. it looks like a scam it acts like a shill it talks like a shill it's a shill. Shilling for a scam.

What's not to know? Nothing. I know it you know it.

The only ones who don't know it are the gullible ones who will get taught a life lesson.

Nice and simple.

Here's the real question.

How far do the owners of this forum intend to allow people like this access ?

And, for the record, I think this is one of the best forums out there or I wouldn't come here.
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No reason to doubt your integrity Ken Rawlings, although imho, feeling you have to introduce yourself as "Dr." does you no favours.
I have "letters" before and after my name and have never used them in a public forum; there's a time and a place my dear chap. Although it is your choice and privilege to do so, it adds no gravitas to your "verified accounts".
Members comments above are all valid, and anyone who does not use recognised bona fide auditors should be treated with caution.
Caveat emptor would be my advice to traders.
Are you paid for your services ? If not , why not ? .... or perhaps you just have free access ... and nothing wrong with that .... but it does not really make you "independent".
I have no idea as to the success rate of this system, however given their persistent marketting I would stress caveat emptor to any prospective customers.
One generally finds that "heavy" marketing can have an inversely proportional relationship to the quality of the product.
Good products effectively sell themselves, and one can't go far wrong by relying on "word of mouth".
Anyone who wants to be a consistently successful trader has to put in the 'hard yards'. There are NO shortcuts, or "holy grails".
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Old Oct 28, 2017, 6:38pm   #16
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Magnetic Trading have very mixed reviews on the Traders Bulletin board I believe, and the same applies to Mark and Cameron for that matter. I can't comment any more on that as you need to be a registered PIE member to gain access to the forum and that involves shelling out £3k to learn how to sell option puts.

From what I can gather there are 9 trades which make up the Whale program and I'm told this is one of them, but if this is the type of trade they come up with, I won't even try to buy a second hand one:

"FTSE EXPIRY TRADE - OFFICIAL TRADE
Expiry takes place between 10.10am -10.15am UK TIME every 3rd Friday of the month.

Between 10.10am-10.15am if I see a 9 or more pip move
(either up or down) from the 10.10am price I will fade this
back to the point of origin which is the 10.10am price
whatever that may be.

This is an extremely high probability trade for 9 pts"

Hardly ground breaking stuff from Magnetic, but no doubt hundreds of disciples will all make thousands each trading that every month

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