What can an 18 year old do?

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Old Aug 19, 2013, 2:54pm   #16
 
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"Ok Rob, you fkin sink, you knitted scarf you, here's 200 grand, now fk off, I told mum I'd look after you, but fk off mate!"
ha, that is f funny

who wld you get in to play RB / big sis?
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ha, that is f funny

who wld you get in to play RB / big sis?
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Someone told me that guy's sister has some serious real estate in West London? Any truth to that? Wonder where he got his stake cash from?

"Hi, uh, sis, I reckon I can be a trader right, what I do is buy low, sell high, bit of P/E, bit of OB OS sector reports, few open dial conference calls, bada bing! And I'll get my little tail out too and call myself the naked trader."

"Ok Rob, you fkin sink, you knitted scarf you, here's 200 grand, now fk off, I told mum I'd look after you, but fk off mate!"

Wow I'm quite proud of my little screenplay.
Probably closer to the truth than you think
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Warpclaw started this thread Wow I wasn't expect to wake up to these many responses! But here's some clarification that I may have missed out on on the first post:
When I said major in Finance, I was still going to take my premed courses to still be eligible to take the MCAT and apply to med school but without the original Biology degree (for anyone whose wondering, medical schools do not care about your major either as long as you can keep up a high gpa and a high gpa on your science classes). I have always been "interested" into medicine since my dad's a doctor and I have volunteered in many hospitals and currently enrolled in an EMT class that has devoured my summer. I have also visited many medical schools and seen how the students there live. However, it kind of shocks me that despite all that exposure to medicine, I still don't know if I want to become a doctor. On the other hand, I have only been exposed to finance for under two months and I am already fascinated and appalled by it: this never happened to me when I thought about medicine. And yes I know that i have very little experience in trading but I just wanted to show my progress and am considering opening up a progress thread as well. In the meantime, I think I will keep Biology this year and make my decision to switch to Finance with premed courses or to stick with Biology as my ultimate degree the next year. The issue is that if I do not get into medical school (the fate of 50% of applicants), I can't do jack **** with a Biology major. However, if I had gotten a Finance degree with premed route, I can still apply to medical school and not be that devastated if I do not get in since I will have a degree that can actually put me places (rather than a stupid 40k/yr job doing Biology research).
So basically, if I major in Finance with a premed route, I can use finance as my back up if I, god forbid, don't get into medical school. But if I stick with Biology, as most of you are saying, I have NO back up plan. I forgot to put this info in the first post and will do so now for any future readers of this thread.
On the good news, that $26 position is now up to $43
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Old Aug 19, 2013, 6:22pm   #20
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Wow I wasn't expect to wake up to these many responses! But here's some clarification that I may have missed out on on the first post:
When I said major in Finance, I was still going to take my premed courses to still be eligible to take the MCAT and apply to med school but without the original Biology degree (for anyone whose wondering, medical schools do not care about your major either as long as you can keep up a high gpa and a high gpa on your science classes). I have always been "interested" into medicine since my dad's a doctor and I have volunteered in many hospitals and currently enrolled in an EMT class that has devoured my summer. I have also visited many medical schools and seen how the students there live. However, it kind of shocks me that despite all that exposure to medicine, I still don't know if I want to become a doctor. On the other hand, I have only been exposed to finance for under two months and I am already fascinated and appalled by it: this never happened to me when I thought about medicine. And yes I know that i have very little experience in trading but I just wanted to show my progress and am considering opening up a progress thread as well. In the meantime, I think I will keep Biology this year and make my decision to switch to Finance with premed courses or to stick with Biology as my ultimate degree the next year. The issue is that if I do not get into medical school (the fate of 50% of applicants), I can't do jack **** with a Biology major. However, if I had gotten a Finance degree with premed route, I can still apply to medical school and not be that devastated if I do not get in since I will have a degree that can actually put me places (rather than a stupid 40k/yr job doing Biology research).
So basically, if I major in Finance with a premed route, I can use finance as my back up if I, god forbid, don't get into medical school. But if I stick with Biology, as most of you are saying, I have NO back up plan. I forgot to put this info in the first post and will do so now for any future readers of this thread.
On the good news, that $26 position is now up to $43
Your choice I suppose, but don't assume your odds of landing a finance job
with a finance degree are any higher than getting into med school.
They may well be worse...
Good luck whatever you decide.
Me - I would still go to med school, if you do get in, its a more stable career than trading.
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Old Aug 19, 2013, 6:27pm   #21
 
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Your choice I suppose, but don't assume your odds of landing a finance job
with a finance degree are any higher than getting into med school.
They may well be worse...
Good luck whatever you decide.
Me - I would still go to med school, if you do get in, its a more stable career than trading.
Thanks, I think I will try to pursue medical school still as of now but I still need some help on what I can do during freshman year in relation to finance rather than just simply trading in my free time =/
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Old Aug 19, 2013, 6:42pm   #22
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Thanks, I think I will try to pursue medical school still as of now but I still need some help on what I can do during freshman year in relation to finance rather than just simply trading in my free time =/
You're in the states yes?
USA Trading job offers. Financial jobs USA - eFinancialCareers.com
That should give you an idea of the barriers to entry and requirements.
Competition for jobs will be fierce.
They can pick and choose the absolute best.

Example graduate vacancy:
Commodity Trading Graduate Programme recruitment - Commodities careers in the USA
A minimum requirement of a 2:1 / 3.4 GPA (or equivalent) in any discipline and fluent English is essential.

I still think med school is the safer option
Your choice.
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Old Aug 19, 2013, 9:26pm   #23
 
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You're in the states yes?
USA Trading job offers. Financial jobs USA - eFinancialCareers.com
That should give you an idea of the barriers to entry and requirements.
Competition for jobs will be fierce.
They can pick and choose the absolute best.

Example graduate vacancy:
Commodity Trading Graduate Programme recruitment - Commodities careers in the USA
A minimum requirement of a 2:1 / 3.4 GPA (or equivalent) in any discipline and fluent English is essential.

I still think med school is the safer option
Your choice.
Alot, if not all, of those jobs offerings are looking for people for fulltime and/or people with their bachelors already. Considering that I have not even started college yet, I am primarily seeking for opportunities that are short-term but will provide enlightenment on finance. I could careless whether it is paid or not, but those job offering are mostly, I think, for people looking for a career. Thanks very much though for your continued interest in this thread!
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Old Aug 20, 2013, 5:24pm   #24
 
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learn a profession which doesnt involve trading (cld be in finance if you enjoy it, or whatever), & trade in your spare time.
Agree with this completely...

One of the good things with trading is you can do it as a hobby out of study/work hours. There are plenty of resources available, books, forums etc... so I wouldn't necessarily say you need to be worried about going to college to learn more. You can EOD trade, day trade in a market that is in a different time zone, use some type of automation, so time for both studying and trading.

There is also a big difference between being interested and enjoying something as a hobby and trying to do it for a living. As an example, I love cooking, would I want to do it professionally if I was good enough... probably not as cooking at home and cooking for other people as a job is a different thing... The same as I enjoy sitting at home analysing charts and trying to make some extra cash but would working in "finance" be the same? again probably not.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to fund my life completely from trading and that will probably always be my aim, but until then I have a "proper" job that I am also trying to be as successful as possible at, which has nothing to do with finance or trading but I enjoy equally as much.

Good luck with what ever you decide though.

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Agree with this completely...

One of the good things with trading is you can do it as a hobby out of study/work hours. There are plenty of resources available, books, forums etc... so I wouldn't necessarily say you need to be worried about going to college to learn more. You can EOD trade, day trade in a market that is in a different time zone, use some type of automation, so time for both studying and trading.

There is also a big difference between being interested and enjoying something as a hobby and trying to do it for a living. As an example, I love cooking, would I want to do it professionally if I was good enough... probably not as cooking at home and cooking for other people as a job is a different thing... The same as I enjoy sitting at home analysing charts and trying to make some extra cash but would working in "finance" be the same? again probably not.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to fund my life completely from trading and that will probably always be my aim, but until then I have a "proper" job that I am also trying to be as successful as possible at, which has nothing to do with finance or trading but I enjoy equally as much.

Good luck with what ever you decide though.

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Thanks for the great advice! I've always wondered how it would be working in finance, but my dad always pressured me into thinking things like finance is a very unsecure career: you may have a job today but lose it tomorrow, then it will be even harder to get another job. Also things like only the people from Ivy Leagues get jobs, etc. He has even once said that he will not support me if I decide to into business. Not once has he told me anything positive about business so I was always plagued into thinking that finance was corrupt and unsecure while medicine was the haven in terms of all careers. However, I have been watching tons of documentaries online about working in finance and it all seems so interesting to me, despite the apparent thoughts that my parents have put into my head. Biology is easy for me, not fun. Chemistry is hard for me and not fun at all. Physics is in the same boat as Biology.
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How about study for now? I don't think that Forex is something that is good for 18 y.o. I'm pretty sure, that you cannot afford the big account, and earning like 10 per month is not something to work for.
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Go to a grocery store and ask 100 people if they are happy they went to college and if they would take the same road. I bet you would be surprised at the results. I would go with what you want to do now. I am a lot older then you and still don't know what I want to do with my life.
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Old Aug 22, 2013, 3:07pm   #28
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trading is something you can do without a degree, so dont change your current course to one that may help you in your degree, as you can find all you need to on the net these days for free... and doing it as extra curricular will also show you how devoted you are to it, and not just over the summer holidays, but as a lifestyle choice... but i do also believe that you should follow the route that you most want to take...

and lets be honest, if you was a head of a billion pound company, would u hire a guy who went to oxford but was making a loss, or a guy who taught himself in his box room but was making consistent returns over an extended period of time.
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Old Aug 23, 2013, 5:36pm   #29
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Hey guys so a little about me:

I'm 18 years old and enjoying summer as much as I can before I move on to Drexel University for a major in.....Biology with hopes of med. However, I just recently (July 1st to be exact :P) sparked an interest in trading. Ever since July 1st, I have been spending hours researching as much as I can of the stock market and careers in finance. I really enjoy the stock market and am especially in love with the aspect of taking advantage of the volatility of the market to make cash, which is essentially the essence of a trade :P. As of July 16th (the first day I made a trade, demo of course) and today (August 19th, so just over a month), I have made $3,000 in stocks investing with $30,000 (10% return in the first month isn't too shabby) and a $30.00 profit + a current $26 open position in the forex market with a starting capital of just $2,000 using a measly .05 lots for all trades (haven't started live trading yet). As far as I know, I seem to be doing exceptionally well compared to the general remarks people make about new traders. HOWEVER, I know that 1 month is still wayyyy too early to make an assumption about how skillful I really am (or am not) and any further assumptions would simply be extrapolation but I feel like this month has just been a sign that I can really succeed as a trader or someone in a financial career. Unfortunately, by the time I realized that I wanted to do finance, there were no more seats to switch my major to Finance so now I am stuck with Biology for the first year and will hopefully switch to Finance my second year.

However, I do have some serious concerns. Since my original plan coming to Drexel was to major in Biology and head off to medical school, I did not really aspire to go a very prestigious school since medical school could really careless about how prestigious or not your undergraduate college was. But, I understand that a major aspect of being hired if I decided to go with Finance relies on how respectable and prestigious your undergraduate college (excluding amount of extracurricular activities) and employers are constantly searching to hire those who went to Ivy Leagues. I really don't think Drexel is considered to be a very prestigious school in eyes of employers so I don't know how far I am going to get with a Finance degree from Drexel (once again, assuming I did not have any extracurricular and focusing on the college reputation solely). My question is that if I decide to switch majors into Finance, should I also look to transfer schools after the first year to a more prestigious school or should I just stay at Drexel with a major in Finance and hope I can get into a good graduate/MBA program?

Also, I feel like I have not been exposed to the business side except for my exposure to the stock market and forex. But as an 18 year old who hasn't even started college yet, what is there for me to do that can give me something to write on a resume and provide me with a good sense of what a career finance and trading is? I feel like there isn't many options for an 18 year old at this point other than fiddling with the markets (which I am), learning and reading as much information and books related to finance and trading (which I am), and joining the economics club in university (which I did lol). However, aside from trading, I really haven't been exposed to what life in Finance really is considering all my relatives are primarily based in health field careers and urge me to do the same. I need some ideas on what I can do to continue to expose myself to the business world such as internships, which is hard for me considering once again my age and the fact that it hasn't even been 2 months since I desired to go into Finance, which basically means I have to write down that I have no prior experience if I decide to apply to an internship at this age. Thanks for your time if you read this lengthy story, any suggestions?
Looks like all us old farts are telling you the same thing ! you must be sick of it (please someone tell me what I WANT to hear!!)

My sons are 20 and 22 and I've always said do your degree, then if you want to learn trading/investing, maybe I'll teach you then. Apart from the fact that it's a more worthwhile pursuit saving lives, it's never going to go away (ask any Jewish or Asian mother, and they know what life's about - marry a doctor!).

Trading has always been and will always be here. I'd suggest you stop shilly-shallying and forget trading COMPLETELY. If you are maybe finance, maybe medicine, you'll do neither well. Put all your energy, belief and commitment into your degree or don't do it at all, and that would definitely involve stopping reading/thinking/acting upon trading COMPLETELY.

WHen you've finished your degree, then go on a trading course / work for an arcade / get a coach and see IF it's really as glam as you think it is.

Be warned : trading is as addictive as crack. If you're prepared to commit to 100% of your energy, time and life for 6-12 months, you MIGHT end up being one of the 5% who make it. But the odds say you won't.
Go save some lives and have the respect of us all and $250,000 year.

Good luck lil dude.
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