SJ Capital group

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Old Feb 5, 2012, 4:01pm   #25
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You p1ss as much time away as you want on your investigation. The truth will be the same, namely that this is a scam, because they are all scams.

A moment's thought should be enough for anyone who isn't actually brain damaged to work out why this is the case.
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Old Feb 5, 2012, 5:01pm   #26
 
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You p1ss as much time away as you want on your investigation. The truth will be the same, namely that this is a scam, because they are all scams.

A moment's thought should be enough for anyone who isn't actually brain damaged to work out why this is the case.



Poem101, Unsure as to the reason behind such a response from you, albeit one would assume we are all here to share knowledge and expose the truth, regardless whether that truth fits in with our own opinions or not.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to enlighten the thread your reason for such a vociferous stance against SJ Capital in the absence of proven FACTS. Or is it that perhaps you are making such a poor case against them in order to make others believe that there is no case they need answer to?.

I have pointed out facts , most that are in the public domain, and others garnered from research. Whereas your input on this thread seems to be based entirely around the past performance of UKli and other peoples research and publish articles.

As I said previously, your one liner sort of posts do nothing to eek out the truth surrounding this companyand it's operations, and indeed may have the opposite effect of what the thread is intended for.

I suggest we await a response from the company, failing which I'd be inclined to swerve very much toward your stance. As I'd imagine many others would also.
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Old Feb 5, 2012, 5:10pm   #27
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I think what you are doing is desperately looking for someone to tell you this is a great opportunity. Do you for one minute believe that the guys behind the UKLI scam (and there is no doubt that was a scam) are now 'going straight' but just happened to choose exactly the same 'business' model?

What you are essentially doing is trying to prove that the nice Nigerian Prince that e mails you is in fact honest despite all the evidence to the contrary.
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Old Feb 5, 2012, 6:09pm   #28
 
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Indeed pboyles, I have always took people at face value and could be construed as somewhat gullible, hence the two foot thick tarmac on my drive covering the three layers of paving........ the shiny new roof on my house, the fourth one in 2 years, the fact I have in my possesion 15 winning dutch lottery tickets and 1million acres of mountainous land in Outer Mongolia. lol!

Take a look at this site from a local councillor in the area that SJ Capital have their land.

RITA EGAN Liberal Democrat: Development Land Around Houghton Regis

now a lot of what this lady conveys is confirmed in SJs sales pitch, if you also look at Land Improvements web site...........

Lands Improvement

you will see that the proposals for the area are indeed very well advanced but very much dependent on the A5 bypass around Dunstable.


This beggars the question as to why SJ Capital are going about things the way they are on this particular site.



Maybe, just maybe they dont know about the potential treasure at the bottom of the site???? check this out................ RITA EGAN Liberal Democrat


PMSL!
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Old Feb 5, 2012, 6:38pm   #29
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Indeed pboyles, I have always took people at face value and could be construed as somewhat gullible, hence the two foot thick tarmac on my drive covering the three layers of paving........ the shiny new roof on my house, the fourth one in 2 years, the fact I have in my possesion 15 winning dutch lottery tickets and 1million acres of mountainous land in Outer Mongolia. lol!

Take a look at this site from a local councillor in the area that SJ Capital have their land.

RITA EGAN Liberal Democrat: Development Land Around Houghton Regis

now a lot of what this lady conveys is confirmed in SJs sales pitch, if you also look at Land Improvements web site...........

Lands Improvement

you will see that the proposals for the area are indeed very well advanced but very much dependent on the A5 bypass around Dunstable.


This beggars the question as to why SJ Capital are going about things the way they are on this particular site.



Maybe, just maybe they dont know about the potential treasure at the bottom of the site???? check this out................ RITA EGAN Liberal Democrat


PMSL!
In the UK you can call the council and ask to speak to the planning department. They will be able to tell you about the restrictions on the land you refer to. Remember just because one field has planning permission doesn't mean the one beside it will get it. You can also try to find a map for the Green Belt in that location

By the way what they are offering is a collective investment scheme, the should be FSA registered to do this but they are not. They are therefore committing a few offences. Like I said there is zero chance this a genuine opportunity.
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Old Feb 5, 2012, 7:22pm   #30
 
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I totally agree pboyles. In it's current form, the proposals entered in the sales material by SJ Capital have no chance whatsoever of gaining a planning consent, couple that with the fact that prospective buyers of the plots have been given no indication of the restrictions on the deeds and various other clauses, then yes it does appear to be quite peculiar, and indicative of a collective investment scheme being attempted.

However, this doesnt detract from the potential of the site if it is handled and promoted to the Local Authority in the way that I am led to believe it should have been.

I keep rattling the same question out, and that is WHY at this point in time ( bearing in mind SJ Capital have had control of the land for nigh on 4 years) have they decided upon a course of action that could end in their possible demise once and for all if proven to be illegal? Is it possible that the end game in the UK with regards these schemes is now upon them? is it possible that following arrests made in Dubai that the shop is now been forced to bring forward it's forced closure plans? is by chance that issues surrounding other sites and questions now being asked may have a bearing on proceedings? I don't know the answers, but I am inclined to continue searching for them if they are not forthcoming from the company.
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Old Feb 5, 2012, 8:01pm   #31
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I totally agree pboyles. In it's current form, the proposals entered in the sales material by SJ Capital have no chance whatsoever of gaining a planning consent, couple that with the fact that prospective buyers of the plots have been given no indication of the restrictions on the deeds and various other clauses, then yes it does appear to be quite peculiar, and indicative of a collective investment scheme being attempted.

However, this doesnt detract from the potential of the site if it is handled and promoted to the Local Authority in the way that I am led to believe it should have been.

I keep rattling the same question out, and that is WHY at this point in time ( bearing in mind SJ Capital have had control of the land for nigh on 4 years) have they decided upon a course of action that could end in their possible demise once and for all if proven to be illegal? Is it possible that the end game in the UK with regards these schemes is now upon them? is it possible that following arrests made in Dubai that the shop is now been forced to bring forward it's forced closure plans? is by chance that issues surrounding other sites and questions now being asked may have a bearing on proceedings? I don't know the answers, but I am inclined to continue searching for them if they are not forthcoming from the company.
They could start again tomorrow under a different name, it costs £18 to register a UK limited company, they'd just rebrand their website and start again, just like they did when UKLI was caught.

I think you'll find that many planning restrictions are almost written in stone in
the UK. No matter what you propose to the council you'd get nowhere. Proximity to other developments is irrelevant, there is a line drawn on the map to mark the green belt and that's that.

Remember if there was any potential in this land you'd never have got to hear about it, it would have been bought and developed. The fact theyre cold calling people on the other side of the world to flog it in small pieces should tell you all you need to know.
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Old Feb 5, 2012, 8:02pm   #32
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I don't know the answers, but I am inclined to continue searching for them if they are not forthcoming from the company.
Why?
Does it not pose a big red flag when the company refuses to answer some basic questions that you ask? Must be some issue(s) they don't want to talk about. If you are not going to invest with them then what is your obsession with finding the truth about a company that is all of a sudden silent?

Let's try a different approach. We'll assume SJ Capital refused to acknowledge or answer your questions. You then go digging for and find some answers. Here are the possibilities:

1) You find all or mostly negative answers or possibly cannot find any information at all. This suggests a high probability that the members here are correct and SJ Capital is a scam company.

OR

2) You find all or mostly positive answers painting the company in a good light. I don't think you would then be confident in saying the company is not a scam even after they refused to answer the questions themselves? This just opens up more questions and you will continue down this road indefinitely.

If you can't get straightforward answers to basic questions from the company who is trying to get you (or anyone) to buy into their marketing, then that is all the information you need.

Just my opinion,

Peter
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