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Old Feb 7, 2017, 3:32pm   #297
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Petes lost his "like button" which can only mean one thing...

Dya think he may of been the real keyser soze ???
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Petes lost his "like button" which can only mean one thing...

Dya think he may of been the real keyser soze ???
Considering the amount of buzz and views this thread has been receiving, what if the actual vendors...mr. charts dbphoenix ratcheted a plan to create a buzz around their products. Now that would be some keyser soze 5hit.....only way I can respond to that .....
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Considering the amount of buzz and views this thread has been receiving, what if the actual vendors...mr. charts dbphoenix ratcheted a plan to create a buzz around their products. Now that would be some keyser soze 5hit...

I would love that to be true....

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Old Mar 13, 2017, 11:14am   #300
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Hi InvestToBuild,
Welcome to T2W.

I suggest you start with the welcome email you received when you first registered and read all the links it contains.

With regard to Lúidín's comment that "most want to try and get some money from you for helping you" - may well apply beyond T2W - but it's rare within the forum itself. The reason being that we have a clear Vendor Policy which prevents this from happening that is rigorously enforced by our Mod' team. Besides which, the members themselves are pretty hot on flagging up anyone who is in any way dodgy and whose motives appear to contravene the ethos of the site.

I do agree with Lúidín though that the more specific you are with your questions the better - and having some sort of a plan about what you want to achieve - is much more likely to result in helpful replies from knowledgeable and experienced members.
Tim.
Not sure I entirely agree with you It's really not that easy to discern people's motives online and this industry is not properly regulated and has a dark past. Not to say necessarily that that is endemic to this site, but we should always doubt what we read from all online and allow a free flow of non-insulting criticism. Here's a moving post from BigMike on dbphoenix, you really can tell BigMike puts his heart into trying to do the right thing when it comes to going the extra mile, or kilometer, and demanding transparency and pro-social ethical conduct from vendors.

"I just did. My understanding at the time was you weren't a vendor. You said you had a book, but my understanding was you posted that book here and it was free?

It seems I misinterpreted what you were saying, and now that I've re-read that exchange it seems that you are in fact a vendor marketing a product/service on futures.io (formerly BMT). And since what you are selling is directly related to everything you've been writing about, you are violating our no self-promotion policy in a huge way. Something I told you clearly we don't allow.

All this time I thought you were a nice guy but just not a trader. Now I realize you are a vendor and your purpose here is to get more business. It makes sense now on why you would never post anything of actual use or anything that would definitively show your skills.

In other words, just another typical vendor. And as such, you are now banned. You are not welcome back under any circumstance.

A note to the loyal followers of @dbphoenix : Since most of you showed up only after he did, I hope you are in fact real people and not accounts created by him to promote his angle and popularity. Unfortunately, many (many!) vendors in the past take that approach, so it's always a concern. futures.io (formerly BMT) is a drama free zone. This is not ET. If you want to create drama over my decision to ban db, be forewarned that you'll be banned as well.

Mike"



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Here's a moving post from BigMike on dbphoenix, you really can tell BigMike puts his heart into trying to do the right thing when it comes to going the extra mile, or kilometer, and demanding transparency and pro-social ethical conduct from vendors.
Not exactly. When I signed up for BMT, I contacted him via PM, explained that I had a book, and wanted to know if it was going to be a problem. He replied that it would not be a problem as long as I never mentioned it nor maintained a journal of trades. And that was that. I never mentioned it nor did I open or maintain a journal, as requested.

But eventually my thread became popular, popular enough to put me within throwing distance of his "Wizard" (or whatever it was called) category, and if I became a "Wizard", this would make me the only "Wizard" that had not paid him his $100 fee (which I didn't pay because I had no interest in indicators or webinars or services of any kind). Suddenly he had issues with my never having journaled trades, something which he had earlier asked me not to do and which I did not do in order to comply with his request, and he came up with this spin in order to justify banning me, to which a number of people objected (one of his vendors, in fact, offered me a spot on the vendor's website to continue my postings).

Petetrades just can't get over the fact that I pointed out that his continued losses over the years are his fault and nobody else's due to his unwillingness to assume the responsibility for them. He will look for any other cause -- brokers, commissions, vendors, the market itself -- in order to avoid accepting that responsibility. And rather than focus on developing a thoroughly-tested and consistently-profitable trading plan, he wastes his time on T2W whining about how unfair all of it is and playing Poor Little Old Me. In fact, if he spent a fraction of the time studying, testing, and practicing that he spends stalking and posting, he'd be a success. He goes on about it day after day after day, usually from dawn till dusk but sometimes until the wee hours of the morning. It would be pitiful if he weren't such a PITA.

I don't respond to petetrades because I have no reason to. He's losing money. I'm not. So why should I care about what he posts? He's not trading my money. I respond to this post only because it is a falsehood. If people want to believe it anyway, I really couldn't care less. After 16 years, the Trading Forum Drama Club no longer holds any appeal.

I have a book. Yes. And Paul is very much aware of it. Has been since I began posting again. As I've explained umpteen times, those who want the content for free are welcome to it if they want to read all my posts. Those who value their time, however, and would prefer that all those posts be consolidated into something organized and highly-edited may elect the book instead. Their choice. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other.
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Not exactly. When I signed up for BMT, I contacted him via PM, explained that I had a book, and wanted to know if it was going to be a problem. He replied that it would not be a problem as long as I never mentioned it nor maintained a journal of trades. And that was that. I never mentioned it nor did I open or maintain a journal, as requested.

But eventually my thread became popular, popular enough to put me within throwing distance of his "Wizard" (or whatever it was called) category, and if I became a "Wizard", this would make me the only "Wizard" that had not paid him his $100 fee (which I didn't pay because I had no interest in indicators or webinars or services of any kind). Suddenly he had issues with my never having journaled trades, something which he had earlier asked me not to do and which I did not do in order to comply with his request, and he came up with this spin in order to justify banning me, to which a number of people objected (one of his vendors, in fact, offered me a spot on the vendor's website to continue my postings).

Petetrades just can't get over the fact that I pointed out that his continued losses over the years are his fault and nobody else's due to his unwillingness to assume the responsibility for them. He will look for any other cause -- brokers, commissions, vendors, the market itself -- in order to avoid accepting that responsibility. And rather than focus on developing a thoroughly-tested and consistently-profitable trading plan, he wastes his time on T2W whining about how unfair all of it is and playing Poor Little Old Me. In fact, if he spent a fraction of the time studying, testing, and practicing that he spends stalking and posting, he'd be a success. He goes on about it day after day after day, usually from dawn till dusk but sometimes until the wee hours of the morning. It would be pitiful if he weren't such a PITA.

I don't respond to petetrades because I have no reason to. He's losing money. I'm not. So why should I care about what he posts? He's not trading my money. I respond to this post only because it is a falsehood. If people want to believe it anyway, I really couldn't care less. After 16 years, the Trading Forum Drama Club no longer holds any appeal.

I have a book. Yes. And Paul is very much aware of it. Has been since I began posting again. As I've explained umpteen times, those who want the content for free are welcome to it if they want to read all my posts. Those who value their time, however, and would prefer that all those posts be consolidated into something organized and highly-edited may elect the book instead. Their choice. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other.
According to https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threa...x-back.297118/ There was some confusion and lack of transparency as to whether you were a trader freely sharing their method and ideas for years, to give back to the community, or a trading vendor, which is the same issue BigMike brought up. The mature and responsible thing to do would have been to own up to being a vendor at the time if that's what you were, I am not making any decision on this matter but referring readers to the ET thread.
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Not exactly. When I signed up for BMT, I contacted him via PM, explained that I had a book, and wanted to know if it was going to be a problem. He replied that it would not be a problem as long as I never mentioned it nor maintained a journal of trades. And that was that. I never mentioned it nor did I open or maintain a journal, as requested.

But eventually my thread became popular, popular enough to put me within throwing distance of his "Wizard" (or whatever it was called) category, and if I became a "Wizard", this would make me the only "Wizard" that had not paid him his $100 fee (which I didn't pay because I had no interest in indicators or webinars or services of any kind). Suddenly he had issues with my never having journaled trades, something which he had earlier asked me not to do and which I did not do in order to comply with his request, and he came up with this spin in order to justify banning me, to which a number of people objected (one of his vendors, in fact, offered me a spot on the vendor's website to continue my postings).

Petetrades just can't get over the fact that I pointed out that his continued losses over the years are his fault and nobody else's due to his unwillingness to assume the responsibility for them. He will look for any other cause -- brokers, commissions, vendors, the market itself -- in order to avoid accepting that responsibility. And rather than focus on developing a thoroughly-tested and consistently-profitable trading plan, he wastes his time on T2W whining about how unfair all of it is and playing Poor Little Old Me. In fact, if he spent a fraction of the time studying, testing, and practicing that he spends stalking and posting, he'd be a success. He goes on about it day after day after day, usually from dawn till dusk but sometimes until the wee hours of the morning. It would be pitiful if he weren't such a PITA.

I don't respond to petetrades because I have no reason to. He's losing money. I'm not. So why should I care about what he posts? He's not trading my money. I respond to this post only because it is a falsehood. If people want to believe it anyway, I really couldn't care less. After 16 years, the Trading Forum Drama Club no longer holds any appeal.

I have a book. Yes. And Paul is very much aware of it. Has been since I began posting again. As I've explained umpteen times, those who want the content for free are welcome to it if they want to read all my posts. Those who value their time, however, and would prefer that all those posts be consolidated into something organized and highly-edited may elect the book instead. Their choice. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other.

Well reasoned professional explanation.

Don't need to be rocket scientist to figure out what the other trol is all about. Obvious his bitter about losing money and surely he can't be held responsible. Ofcourse not. He simply did as he was told chasing greedy invisible voices inside his own head. Not his fault.

Now I have the PIS trolling me for expressing a free opinion. Worthy quest indeed.
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https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threa...-troll.286042/

Highlists of this thread, DB Phoenix- failed trader turned ET Troll, include Clubber Lang's insightful comment: "That clown was on ET for years trying to act like a big swinging dick trader. Those of us who were successful traders laughed at his drivel.
Now after years of silence (or maybe he couldn't pay his cable bill?) DB is back on ET trolling the P&R section as if Baron were paying him by the post."
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