Oil Prices

What price level will Oil hit first?

  • Rally further to $90

    Votes: 55 53.9%
  • Retrace to $50

    Votes: 47 46.1%

  • Total voters
    102

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Crude Oil recently hit $70. Which do you think is going to happen first:

1) Prices retrace to $50

2) Prices rally another $20 to $90?
 
I dont trade oil, but my opinion is:
all this release of reserves really hasnt dented prices much
the overall trend is overwhelmingly up
demand will continue to rise
supply is now even more constricted thanks to hurricane damage

I think price is inexorably likely to run higher. Obviously not continuously, there have to be pullbacks, but generally I think the overall trend will probably continue and that higher is more likely than lower.
 
Since we're talking oil, one oil analyst has suggested that as a result of

1) High crude prices and
2) Severely restricted REFINING capacity,

gasoline(petrol for us Europeans), diesel, heating oil etc are all soaring even more than Crude itself.

His take is that this will feed into higher inflation. High inflation tends to feed into higher interest rates. Higher interest rates tend to be bad news for Stock Markets and Property Markets. The latter is a big factor in both consumer confidence and credit inspired consumer spending which has played a massive role in sustaining western economies in recent years.

What does anyone make of this? The future belongs to those who see it before it arrives.

PS: I am NOT an economist.

:)
 
Some info I got from Elite Trader, and more reasons why oil is likely going higher.
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Here's a map of the oil rigs for those traders following anything oil related... which is everything!

Plot both Rita and Katrina... and remeber that the 1-3 (as on a clock) gets hit the hardest... the 9 to 12 lesser so. With that in mind New Orleans got hit by the 9-12 zone and Mississippi got hit by the 1-3!

It looks like Rita's 1-3 will be slamming the rigs!

http://gom.rigzone.com/rita.asp
 
looks like oil production came away nicely unscathed.. oil down to $63.61 as i type
 
There is a textbook head and shoulders on the daily. Sell the break and then buy the weakness would be my preference.
Not advice just an opinion.
 
In answer to the question:from $70 do we trade $90 or $50 next,I think we're heading back towards $50, but don't expect either price to trade in a hurry.

However for the price of oil in the long-term here are some stats which make worrying reading:

The world consumes 84 million barrels of oil a day

The world consumes two barrels of oil for every barrel discovered

By 2030 the number of cars in the world will increase by 50%.



Maybe the recent price hikes are the wake-up call the world needed.
 
$spreader - I assume you are an economist reader. I saw those stats on page 15 of this weeks issue.
 
Excellent observation!

I am indeed an Economist reader and highly recommend it.They were actually stats quoted in an advert by Chevron,I posted them as they get right to the point of the seriousness of the situation - simple yet effective.
 
shows how subjective chart formations can be... after the head and shoulders on the daily, price never broke the neckline of the formation, it was touched, but looked like it was heavily bought before any weakness could be demonstrated.
 
Here's some interesting excerpts from an analysis report by Stephen Gallo

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Crude oil prices for October delivery are actually at lower levels than they were pre-
Katrina, indicating that the availability of oil is not an immediate problem. The
detriment is that even if oil production is completely restored, which it very well may
be, there is nowhere for it to go. Moreover, the Saudi spare capacity that will be made
available to replace the Gulf light sweet blend is much harder and more expensive to
refine. Oil refiners are just catching on to the fact that there is no other place for
petrol product prices to go but up. Petrol consumers should as well.

Simple Supply and Demand
The rise in petrol prices after Hurricane Katrina swept through the Gulf of Mexico has
highlighted the fact that the US refinery industry is unable to handle short-term supply
disruptions. This is likely to keep oil prices high for several years.
One thing that the last decade’s commodities bear market did not encourage was
investment in exploration and productive capacity. That is why today, U.S. and
global refinery capacity offer very little slack. U.S. capacity is already at 95% of
total, and spare capacity will dwindle because of Katrina. This, combined with high
demand from super commodity consumers like China and India, as well as the US,
has been enough to keep prices elevated. Chinese demand for crude oil alone is
growing rapidly and will have averaged an increase of 10% per year by the end of
2006 – the highest of any region in the world.

The U.S. has not built a new refinery since the 1970s. Moreover, the successful
lobbying of environmental groups, as well as a ‘growing-not-in-my-backyard’
mentality has made building any new infrastructure impossible. Between now and
this time 4 years ago, US refiners were forced to put $20bn into meeting ever more
stringent sulphur environmental targets, thus leaving little for capacity expansion.

In Europe the same trend is taking shape, not just with petrol, but diesel as well. The
European Automobile Manufacturers Association suggests that half of all new cars
sold in the region this year will run on diesel, up from 14% in 1990. And it all goes
back to underinvestment. The oil majors have simply not been willing to put their
money into refinery improvements – perhaps they thought that they could make more
money just by drilling holes in the ground.

Still Teetering
While the economic slowdown from Katrina in the U.S. is likely to be only modest,
this event should be a further signal to investors and people in general about where
the global economy stands. Both groups have been warned in the past about the
major risks that were likely to materialise if certain events occurred. High commodity
prices are an indicator of a robust global economy, but they can also wreck global
growth if supply cannot keep pace with demand.

Motorists in the U.S. are now paying more in inflation-adjusted dollars for their petrol
than at any point since 1981 at the height of the Iran-Iraq war. In the UK, the major
oil companies are planning to invest hundreds of millions in upgrading petrol pump
metres so that they can display prices in excess of £1 per litre. These facts should be
a warning that energy prices are going to remain high for years to come. Hurricane
Katrina may then be nothing less than the first blip on the radar screen in the making
of global energy crisis.
 
Arbitrageur said:
Here's some interesting excerpts from an analysis report by Stephen Gallo
Motorists in the U.S. are now paying more in inflation-adjusted dollars for their petrol
than at any point since 1981 at the height of the Iran-Iraq war. In the UK, the major
oil companies are planning to invest hundreds of millions in upgrading petrol pump
metres so that they can display prices in excess of £1 per litre. These facts should be
a warning that energy prices are going to remain high for years to come. Hurricane
Katrina may then be nothing less than the first blip on the radar screen in the making
of global energy crisis.

Oh I do love this wonderfully dark poetry...

Bring on the next generation of doomsayers!
:cool:
 
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