APW Australia Portfolio Wines

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Old Oct 31, 2011, 3:01am   #31
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@katmanlondon, you're fortunate to have a London's address. For Australian with no London's address, Cellar Link make it impossible to exit from this loosing investment. Cellar Link charge a ridiculous fee to have the wines sent back to Australia, and they refuse the order to just dispose the wines.

Well, this investment is already at a great loss, so it doesn't make sense to pay a high fee again just to let it go.
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Old Oct 31, 2011, 1:49pm   #32
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Well Guys and gals here is my new website with exposure to problems I am having with Cellarlink (& APW).

I am implementing this website using search engine optimization techniques so that it get wide exposure. I want other wine people other than those looking for cellarlink to find it.

You can visit it at "cellarlinks"

Get back with more news soon.

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Old Oct 31, 2011, 6:21pm   #33
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Thank you very much for the info pboyles.
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Old Nov 1, 2011, 10:41am   #34
 
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Dear All,
Re getting stock for Australian clients out of their control why do you not move it to another warehouse in the UK, set the account up in your name and negotiate a new deal? I work in warehousing, bonded warehousing, and handle privae contracts, their are plently of providers in the UK, who also could consoldate and ship back to Australia. If the wine is in your name get it moved to another facility and away from APW/Cellar Link.
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Old Nov 1, 2011, 1:07pm   #35
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Dear All,
Re getting stock for Australian clients out of their control why do you not move it to another warehouse in the UK, set the account up in your name and negotiate a new deal? I work in warehousing, bonded warehousing, and handle privae contracts, their are plently of providers in the UK, who also could consoldate and ship back to Australia. If the wine is in your name get it moved to another facility and away from APW/Cellar Link.
Everyone should be aware of follow up scams. It is common practice in share scams for victims to be offered a way out that appears attractive. Ultimately this will lead to more losses. In share scams these are often referred to as 'recovery room' scams. I can see how it would operate very well in this market.
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Old Nov 3, 2011, 8:02am   #36
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thanks a lot for the warning pboyles.. actually better solution is not to pay more for this..
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Old Nov 7, 2011, 2:23pm   #37
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This may be helpful:

https://www.scamwatch.gov.au/reportascam
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Old Nov 9, 2011, 5:26am   #38
 
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I first bought my wine portfolios from APW in 2005. The salesperson was and still is a good friend. He unfortunately has left Cellar Link. Anyway, I have been trying for years to sell these wines. The second portfolio I finally just shipped to myself in London. Cost a bit extra but the wine is fantastic.

Having said that, the company's business model is either to make money on storage fees, or they're just so incompetent that they didn't realise they don't have a proper distribution model. My second portfolio has been on the market since April 2009. Not a single bottle sold. But I've paid storage fees in excess of AUD2,500 so far. On a portfoio that cost only AUD4,500. I'm done with them and have just emailed them telling them I've canceled the card that they had been charging and I'm no longer paying fees. They can either sell the wine or deliver to a friend in Melbourne. They'll never see a cent from me again.
I am about to do the same thing, our case sounds exactly like yours. Can you advise what has happened once you have stopped paying?
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Old Nov 9, 2011, 6:12am   #39
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basically when we stop paying, cellar link should do 12.2 of their t&c:
http://www.cellarlink.com.au/comersu...Conditions.pdf

which is:
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12.2 In addition Cellar Link shall have a lien on all Products, any other good held in the Storage Facility on the Customer's behalf and any document relating to them for all sums payable by the Customer to Cellar Link. If any amount due and payable to Cellar Link by the Customer is not paid in full within six (6) weeks of the due date, Cellar Link may, without further notice, take any or all of the following actions: dispose of and/or sell the Products or other goods by public auction or private treaty on such terms as Cellar Link may determine. Cellar Link may also require payment of default action costs, including any cost associated with the seizure of the Customer's Products, Any excess moneys recovered by Cellar Link on disposal will be returned to the Customer.
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cellarlink should auction the wines with no reserve, and resolve the matter..

but that's not what people experience here.. read one of the cellar link victim's story:
http://www.cellarlinks.com.au/one-re...nvest-in-wine/

they will still charged your credit card even though you notify them not to do so.. you'll have to cancel your credit card.. they'll charge you dishonour fee.. and they'll keep on chasing you to pay..

still.. that's seems to be the only solution.. else you'll be paying the fee indefinitely.. they don't give us a sensible option to exit from their hefty fees..

i think the more people stop paying their fee, the stronger our position will be.. it will force them to auction the wines with no reserve and resolve this matter..

further more you can report cellar link here too:
https://www.scamwatch.gov.au/reportascam

the more people report the case the better..

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Old Nov 12, 2011, 3:51am   #40
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Hi,

Does anyone know whether we should pay VAT or not if we just disposed the wines? How about just give away the wines to someone (or sell it to him/her at zero price), do we still have to pay VAT? How's the VAT calculated? It's the percentage of the selling price, right? So if we sell at zero price, it should be zero VAT?

.. just thinking of possible ways to exit from cellar link without any further cost. loosing so much money already for the price of the wines, and the cost involved to keep them (which could be already more than the cost of the wines themselves).. now just want to get rid of them without any further cost..

but still cellar link may charge us just to get the wines disposed

anyone interested to get cheap wines? just to cover the cost to disposed the wines and taking them out from cellar link..

thanks a lot..
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