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Old Jun 7, 2009, 12:12am   #17
 
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hwsteele started this thread William Gann used "Natural Squares" as a way to get rough ideas for potential turning points in both price and time.

A natural square is simply any number squared.

He believed these numbers were important for many reasons.
None of which I'm going into in this post.

I have included a chart of the SPX with some of the natural squares all started from the high of 1440 last year.

You will have to do your own work to decide if he knew what he was talking about with the use of natural squares.

I will tell you that 9,12,and 13 squared seem to work well to forecast turning points in the SPX.

Check them out and see what you think.
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Old Jun 8, 2009, 4:32pm   #18
 
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hwsteele started this thread At first glance the natural squares that Gann used would look to fall into the numerology section of his studies.
This is a list of some of the natural squares:
4X4=16
5X5=25
6X6=36
7X7=49
8X8=64
9X9=81*
10X10=100
11X11=121
12X12=144**
13X13=169***
14X14=196
15X15=225*
16X16=256
17X17=289
18X18=324
19X19=361*/** remember our Sq9 chart?
20X20=400
21X21=441
22X22=484
23X23=529
24X24=576
25X25=625
26X26=676*
32X32=1024**

* = days
** = months(30 days each)
*** = years(360 days each)


Now if you take a close look at the numbers above you will see that they also fall into the Astrological section of his studies.
He gave importance to the natural squares because of the planets.
In fact, this is on of the pointers to his use of astrology.
Take a look at the orbital period of the planets.
Keep in mind that most everything that we think of as a Gann method is a "pointer" to an astrological method that he really used.
He must have found it interesting that the planets orbital periods fall close to natural squares in either days, months, or years.
BUT
If you think about how gravity is calculated maybe it's not such a big mystery after all.
Do a little work and find where the planets land on the natural squares list above.
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Old Jun 9, 2009, 3:00am   #19
 
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Doing my own work.

hwsteele started this thread This post is going to show an example of what I mean about doing your own work.

Some time after I learned about "natural squares" I was thinking of ways to use them.
It then dawned on me who better to tell me what squares to use than the market it's self. So I did some checking and found that, in some markets, you can use the Highs and Lows at pivot points as the numbers to square.
An example would be if oil had an important high at $58 then I would square 58 to get 3364.
Then I would divide that number by 10 or 100 to get a smaller number to use.
The 3364 turns into 33 and a half days. I would then expect a pivot in price at 33 and a half days from the pivot that the price was squared.
Take it or leave it, it works well for me.

Oil is a market that works well with this IMHO.
The chart that I loaded has some examples of this.

So now you have an example of something that I use now that is an "evolution" of an original Gann "idea".
I came up with this from "doing my own work". From working with something that I learned and twisting it around in my head to see all different ways it might work.
To use it the way that makes the most sense to me.
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Old Jun 24, 2009, 12:10am   #20
 
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hwsteele started this thread Sorry it has been so long since I have posted anything.
This next post will be to get every one who is interested ready for the next five or six posts in our Gann thread.
I will be giving instructions on how to set up the astrology program (at least how I use it)
So you can follow along with what I explain.
First thing you need to do is open the program once you have it down loaded.

2:
Click on setting and then on calculation settings at the bottom of the menu.
On the right hand side of the box that opens up there is a section that is called: Display Format.
Click on the 360 degrees button.
This will show the planets orbit as 360 degree of a circle instead of 30 degree of each sign of the zodiac.

3:
Next click on setting again then house system and then on null at the bottom.

4:
Once again click on setting and then on aspect settings and click on sextile so it will not show up when we are looking for aspects. Then change the orbs from 7 to 1 for all of the aspects that are left unchecked.

5:
Again, click on setting and then restrictions, and click on restrict all.
Then uncheck the planets that you want to use so they are the only ones that show up.


When I post about some of the “Gann” astro methods I will only give you instructions on which planets to un-restrict so you will have to refer back to this post if you don’t know or can’t remember how to do the above.
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Today (Tuesday) Saturn is in opposition to Uranus which can produce peaks or highs and there is an unusual Sun-Moon-Saturn-Uranus-Neptune alignment.
From an astrology forecaster I read:

We should also note that this Sun-Moon-Saturn-Uranus-Neptune configuration (all in the first sidereal degree of their respective signs) not only increases the chances for declines, it may also function as a cosmic signal for a trend reversal. Previous Saturn and Uranus oppositions in the current series have also coincided with significant pullbacks, although not during the immediate period around their aspect. On November 4, 2008 Saturn opposed Uranus (along with a helpful square aspect from Venus) and that marked an interim high for the US market. Stocks fell 20% in the subsequent three weeks into the November 21 lows. Similarly, Saturn again opposed Uranus on February 5, 2009 near an interim high and the market fell 25% into the lows of early March. In both instances, it was not the time around the exact aspect which took the market down, but rather the aftermath of the aspect which coincided with the decline. This 'high water' scenario is something to ponder as we confront another Saturn-Uranus opposition this week.
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There are quite a few Financial Astro forecasters around and the striking thing about all of them (or should I say upsetting) is that they seem far from complete in providing the actual facts in universe. Currently they focus heavily on the Uranus – Saturnus opposition and refuse to see the Uranus – Neptune semisextile. The Uranus – Neptune semisextile entered orb in march this year and was in aspect in June and we soon will witness a second hit of the aspect, you can have a look at your own stock market charts.

What you see is what you get.

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Also have a closer look at the Venus – Pluto trine in June and the next one coming up. Please bare in mind that the cycles in the sky do not work like clockwork (okay , yet, I am learning so I will have to be patient) on the stock market so you will be needing some earthly stuff for fine tuning to be an extremely profitable trader. A Technical Analyst guy in the Netherlands who appears on CNBC as well taught me to respect the trend as my very best friend.

Have fun and trade to WIN

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There are quite a few Financial Astro forecasters around and the striking thing about all of them (or should I say upsetting) is that they seem far from complete in providing the actual facts in universe. Currently they focus heavily on the Uranus – Saturnus opposition and refuse to see the Uranus – Neptune semisextile. The Uranus – Neptune semisextile entered orb in march this year and was in aspect in June and we soon will witness a second hit of the aspect, you can have a look at your own stock market charts.

What you see is what you get.
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