Why do so few succeed?

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Old Mar 16, 2006, 2:28pm   #417
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I think your argument may be more with Mark Douglas than me. I looked at the passage in his book only an hour ago and the words I used were what Douglas stated. When he states that the exercise is not about developing a winning system or improving your analytical skills and that even a mediocre losing system may be used, I'm not sure how I'm misinterpreting what he wrote. Again, I understand you may disagree with him. If I've misunderstood what he wrote, I'd be happy to be referenced to how so given the words he actually used.

Insights: Treat the market like a casino where you're the house. No individual trade (bet) is important. With a winning edge, over the long run, the house will make money even though it may lose a number of times, and sometimes a number of times in a row. You cannot predict which trade will be a winner. Do not get emotionally invested in any particular trade, whether winner or loser. Those are some. Even trading a losing system can help develop the correct frame of mind.
Tunnel, I'm not arguing with anybody, either you or Douglas. But I'm talking about a book, not a passage.

Try to focus here. You do not have a consistently profitable system or strategy or plan or whatever one wants to call it. Therefore, if you're unsuccessful with it, all the self-examination in the world isn't going to improve your results if you do not also change your strategy.

If this makes no sense to you now, then perhaps it will make sense before you go bankrupt.
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Old Mar 16, 2006, 2:49pm   #418
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the thing is, some of us profitably operate "systems" without all the years of sweat and tears that you've spent the last 3,000 posts telling us all about Soc. I can offer you a few tips if you like, in posts of less than 10,000 words

Maybe it's our greater ability, conduct or merit? You tell us, your majesty.

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Dear Sheffield,

thank you very much indeed. It is very kind and considerate of you to offer.

But it is best if you operate your system and get all the benefits for yourself.

I am not as fortunate as you to have so many gadgets.

All I know, is how to press buttons and make showers of points every time, and, although it is embarrasing as I feel others ought to have a chance as well, I don't want to change what I have, lest I become contaminated with mainstream ideas, and become like everybody else.

Merit, Ability and Conduct is for the few, only for the very few, who can resist all the temptations that lead to being ordinary.

KInd Regards.
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Old Mar 16, 2006, 2:56pm   #419
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I used to think that there was something fishy going on in the various markets. How could I be so close, so "unlucky" so often, very nearly on the edge of a regular profit, but never quite being given enough to survive, yet still the carrot that was dangled before oneself hypnotised me into maintaining market participation. Now I'am absolutely certain there's something fishy going on! There's so many aspect's to consider along the road to achieving market resonation that I cannot bear to think about them all. Well I can actually, its who I am now, know the drill boys ?
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Old Mar 16, 2006, 2:57pm   #420
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This needs to be nailed onto these threads.

He needs to make a distinction between "him" losing money, and his system losing money.
Maybe the thread should have been named "Why do so few trade profitable systems?"
I am writing this because you declared earlier in this thread I was to be ignored and probably you yourself will not read this until much later.

What you need is a good hammer and six inch nails to do the job, nothing else suffices.

You should ensure that the post is squarely visible on the screen and then drive the nails in with as much force as you can muster to ensure the job is done properly.

One six inch nail in each corner is enough.
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Old Mar 16, 2006, 2:59pm   #421
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Tunnel, I'm not arguing with anybody, either you or Douglas. But I'm talking about a book, not a passage.

Try to focus here. You do not have a consistently profitable system or strategy or plan or whatever one wants to call it. Therefore, if you're unsuccessful with it, all the self-examination in the world isn't going to improve your results if you do not also change your strategy.

If this makes no sense to you now, then perhaps it will make sense before you go bankrupt.
but here in my dear friend lies the problem. often, it is not the system that is broken, but the operator. therein lies the answer to this rather lengthy thread!

self examination could well reveal why one isnt able to follow a-b-c.

a good trader with a poor plan will make more money than a poor trader with a great plan ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!!!!!



if one could earn £100000000 a year flipping burgers, i almost guarantee that flipping burgers would be perceived as the most difficult career choice one could make! we would all be arguing here over whether rare, or well done is the correct way to cook a burger, and of course the choice of relish would be a nightmare! dont get me started on the pickles please. how many people here would have lost a fortune by dropping burgers from the fridge to the hot plate as their nerves get the better of them while thinking of all that filthy lucre they are about o make or lose?
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Dear Sheffield,

thank you very much indeed. It is very kind and considerate of you to offer.

But it is best if you operate your system and get all the benefits for yourself.

I am not as fortunate as you to have so many gadgets.

All I know, is how to press buttons and make showers of points every time, and, although it is embarrasing as I feel others ought to have a chance as well, I don't want to change what I have, lest I become contaminated with mainstream ideas, and become like everybody else.

Merit, Ability and Conduct is for the few, only for the very few, who can resist all the temptations that lead to being ordinary.

KInd Regards.
Merit, Ability and Conduct for the few?
Against whose criteria?
Do you know much about moral philosophy, Socrates?

Is the nature of this thread why most people fail as traders?
Ego over Observation?
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Old Mar 16, 2006, 3:05pm   #423
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I used to think that there was something fishy going on in the various markets. How could I be so close, so "unlucky" so often, very nearly on the edge of a regular profit, but never quite being given enough to survive, yet still the carrot that was dangled before oneself hypnotised me into maintaining market participation. Now I'am absolutely certain there's something fishy going on! There's so many aspect's to consider along the road to achieving market resonation that I cannot bear to think about them all. Well I can actually, its who I am now, know the drill boys ?
Now you really ought not to say these things to people because it will only frighten them or put them off.

Up till now I have been completely mistaken.

All of it is very easy, and anyone, absolutely anyone, is welcome.
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Old Mar 16, 2006, 3:07pm   #424
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but here in my dear friend lies the problem. often, it is not the system that is broken, but the operator. therein lies the answer to this rather lengthy thread!

self examination could well reveal why one isnt able to follow a-b-c.

a good trader with a poor plan will make more money than a poor trader with a great plan ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!!!!!
We're not talking about the general and the theoretical and the philosophical. We're talking about a particular individual who is neither a "good" trader nor trades a "good" system. The only "self-examination" called for in this case is to determine the reasons for the reluctance to develop a consistently profitable system.
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