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Old Dec 2, 2009, 7:53am   #1
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Looking at a local banks web site I noticed that they offer you the following rates on deposits:

2.5% if the deposit is locked in from 4<7 months.

5.2% if its locked in for 7<8 months

and 2.5% on anything from 8<12months.

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http://www.westpac.com.au/personal-b...term-deposits/


I would expect a progressive increase in rates, especially within a one year time-frame. Why are there random increases in some time ranges? e.g. 3<4 months is 4.2% so why would anyone want to lock money in for 5 months to get 2.5%??

I realise that the rates are "subject to change" but what exactly is the change of a large drop and a quick recovery all within a few months? so why this apparent inconsistency?

do retails banks somehow make derivatives of these deposits and then trade them?
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Old Dec 2, 2009, 8:36am   #2
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Looking at a local banks web site I noticed that they offer you the following rates on deposits:

2.5% if the deposit is locked in from 4<7 months.

5.2% if its locked in for 7<8 months

and 2.5% on anything from 8<12months.

source:
http://www.westpac.com.au/personal-b...term-deposits/


I would expect a progressive increase in rates, especially within a one year time-frame. Why are there random increases in some time ranges? e.g. 3<4 months is 4.2% so why would anyone want to lock money in for 5 months to get 2.5%??

I realise that the rates are "subject to change" but what exactly is the change of a large drop and a quick recovery all within a few months? so why this apparent inconsistency?

do retails banks somehow make derivatives of these deposits and then trade them?
It seems to be a typo on the rate for the 7-8-month term
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Old Dec 2, 2009, 9:44am   #3
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do retails banks somehow make derivatives of these deposits and then trade them?
If you've read Atlas Shrugged then you'll know how crazy things can get.
Maybe if you watched these 5 videos you'll have a better handle on Banking things.



They won't answer your specific question, but at least you'll see behind the scenes.
Wear brown corduroy trousers though.
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Old Dec 2, 2009, 12:43pm   #4
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Looking at a local banks web site I noticed that they offer you the following rates on deposits:

2.5% if the deposit is locked in from 4<7 months.

5.2% if its locked in for 7<8 months

and 2.5% on anything from 8<12months.

source:
http://www.westpac.com.au/personal-b...term-deposits/


I would expect a progressive increase in rates, especially within a one year time-frame. Why are there random increases in some time ranges? e.g. 3<4 months is 4.2% so why would anyone want to lock money in for 5 months to get 2.5%??

I realise that the rates are "subject to change" but what exactly is the change of a large drop and a quick recovery all within a few months? so why this apparent inconsistency?

do retails banks somehow make derivatives of these deposits and then trade them?
Banks used to trade depos in the unsecured mkt, but that's more or less dead now... The bank doesn't have to trade a derivative on your deposit. A fixed-term deposit you make with them is, essentially, a bond that they have issued directly to you with a certain fixed rate. They can hedge the interest rate risk of a whole bunch of these bonds by going into the swap mkt (they would recv fixed at a rate higher than the one they offer to you; this means they are not exposed to rates and just make money on the spread).

In answer to your question, the fact that the rate on longer-dated deposit drops doesn't make any sense, given the term structure of AUD rates.

BTW, I find the video, as well as other attempts to 'debunk' fractional-reserve banking somewhat silly.
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Old Dec 3, 2009, 12:12am   #5
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John_Galt started this thread It is not a typo for sure. I called them up and asked why.
the answer is: "we offer specials sometimes".

I know I'm not going to get any technical answer involving derivatives from a clerk so nothing I'm looking for. WHYYYY???
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John_Galt started this thread are they possibly investing the deposits in varying instruments?
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are they possibly investing the deposits in varying instruments?
Maybe they're just having a quick gamble on the horses.
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are they possibly investing the deposits in varying instruments?
It's clear from the table that they are simply trying to encourage you to invest in particular terms (i.e. they want 4M and 8M terms, but don't want 5M and 6M). This could be due to the current structure of their deposit book (i.e. it smooths their duration profile). On the other hand, it could be that they have better mkt liquidity in 4M and 8M points, which allows them to hedge the rate risk more efficiently in those terms and, as a result, offer you a better rate. I am inclined to believe that it's the former reason, rather than latter.
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