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Old Oct 30, 2005, 5:22pm   #15
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the bottom line is: does it matter? trying to overcomplicate everything with meanings, theory and analysis is imo just a crutch used by many to give them themselves the illusion they are being clever and working hard. just like our society demands. unfortunately the market or your account cares very little for this. what is more important is learning the mental skills to pull the trigger correctly, and at the right time. if you cant do that, no amount of knowledge is going to help you.
damn you CHANS are clever.
It took me ages to figure that out. I had more number crunching on my machine than the CIA.
All we had in common was that we both got it "dead wrong"

Now, all I do is look for weakness and then fade it.
Exits are the great challenge in life, along with scaling and brackets.

Are you a member of the great English CHANS who served with distinction at Trafalgar, by any chance?
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Old Oct 30, 2005, 5:44pm   #16
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first part - under this scenario, is there opportunity for someone? what would they do? what would the result be on the respective prices of cash and futures? would they now be moving back in line?



second part - bonds one quarter, oil the last quarter, spoo the next month, dow the previous week, etc etc. soon we will be back to the price of gold leading the stock market. read up on sector rotation could be of some help and then considering the same principals on the wider commodity markets.


the bottom line is: does it matter? trying to overcomplicate everything with meanings, theory and analysis is imo just a crutch used by many to give them themselves the illusion they are being clever and working hard. just like our society demands. unfortunately the market or your account cares very little for this. what is more important is learning the mental skills to pull the trigger correctly, and at the right time. if you cant do that, no amount of knowledge is going to help you.
charliechan

Agree flavour of the months do change. It may be me I am always looking to improve, I got no problems pulling the trigger or cutting losses, in fact my entry is good but I always wonder who are the few who get in before me by 2 to 4 bars. This is why I am looking in depth and see if I can improve more.

Also have you notice just before a short term thrust move in the s&p dow Russell all move the exact same time, although there a millions trading these different instruments all over the world lets say the s&p was flavour of the month, then why on earth does the other 3 move the exact same time. If the s&p was the lead, there should be a little delay, but there is nothing. It does you head does it not.
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Old Oct 30, 2005, 5:49pm   #17
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charliechan

Agree flavour of the months do change. It may be me I am always looking to improve, I got no problems pulling the trigger or cutting losses, in fact my entry is good but I always wonder who are the few who get in before me by 2 to 4 bars. :
Hello BT
Do you watch "time & sales" and then fade the entry.
You need to get as close to the tipping point as you can, it is most important.
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Old Oct 30, 2005, 5:57pm   #18
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I'm starting to like you again, Charlie. But there is one thing that concerns me. O.K. Let me be a little bit straight forward here. What is your definition of the word hedge? Ask the managers if it is a realistic concept. And yes....i do like the word 'concept'.
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Old Oct 30, 2005, 6:27pm   #19
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Oh! I'm cocky am i? Well correct me if i am wrong. What does price do? What can you tell me about price? Are there people on here who are not really bothered about certain aspects of the markets? Why are you involved in the markets? Let me guess! Can you explain your reasons for myself? No, you can't. That is all you need to know. Anything else is for arguement. You need to come to terms with T2W, do you not?
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Old Oct 30, 2005, 7:10pm   #20
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Oh! I'm cocky am i? Well correct me if i am wrong. What does price do? What can you tell me about price? Are there people on here who are not really bothered about certain aspects of the markets? Why are you involved in the markets? Let me guess! Can you explain your reasons for myself? No, you can't. That is all you need to know. Anything else is for arguement. You need to come to terms with T2W, do you not?
RUD

Have you got any thing constructive to say to this thread? Or do you want to argue all the time, I hope you was not picked on in school, Its a classic example in what you are doing
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Old Oct 30, 2005, 7:55pm   #21
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charliechan

Agree flavour of the months do change. It may be me I am always looking to improve, I got no problems pulling the trigger or cutting losses, in fact my entry is good but I always wonder who are the few who get in before me by 2 to 4 bars. This is why I am looking in depth and see if I can improve more.

Also have you notice just before a short term thrust move in the s&p dow Russell all move the exact same time, although there a millions trading these different instruments all over the world lets say the s&p was flavour of the month, then why on earth does the other 3 move the exact same time. If the s&p was the lead, there should be a little delay, but there is nothing. It does you head does it not.
1st para:

although it may be nice to get in 3-4 bars earlier with hindsight, is that approach profitable or realistic?

picking tops and bottoms has been the death of many. it is usually caused by greed - and we all know where that takes the trader - straight to the poor house.

you may be better trying to optimise your returns, rather than maximise them.

jmo

2nd para:

this is kind of related to the first isnt it - yes when there is a move, they often but not always all move at once, together. wouldnt it be great to spot that 3-4 bars earlier and get in when it is just starting to make that move.

well there are 2 ways to do this, and i dont mind revealing them here:

1/ all you have to do is go down to your local gippo caravan site and get one of the pikers to sell you a crystal ball!! simple.
2/ go join the club - i.e. go work for the sort of institution or individuals that are doing the buying or selling. then you'll know. when these gorillas go out on a shopping spree, they dont hang around or do it by halves. they will buy ftse futures, dow futures, spoos, russells, hang sengs, nasdaqs, AND all the cash components that go with it. if they want to win, they want to win big. winners think big. they do big.
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