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That is where you are wrong. Remember that lilith was the first women and then came eve ..........

Eve made the mistake as well .............

Females, being the fairer sex of the human species are not capable of standing on their own. Well, have you heard of the stubborn-ness of female humans? Most people have a certain traits inbuilt into their brain circuitry, its like programmed into their human system!

All humans have ego, that is why they are here to suffer ( on Earth that is ) and toil! Read the Torah ( Holy Bible ) The Ego overcomes the Soul and then suffering begins!
Disobedience is the greatest sin of All - look what happened to Lucifer ( he fell from being the beloved to becoming the lowest of the lows - Satan ) and other fallen ones!

Some females are submitting to their roles in the society, family or in the workplace. But given the chance these females of the human species would also rise up and become great Evils as well - the Ego is everywhere! Given a chance every woman wants to be a wanton person and have unlimited power - such is the unquenchaable source of evil and lust!

Well, one might ask - why it is not wrong to have enjoyment ( lust ) and power ( evil )
even for a lady as in this modern age of Equaliity for both sex entails .........
But ............

S K

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Hi there

Be the One for GOD, so that I may appoint a deliverer for thy SOUL!

HariHaraBramKalki(S K)

360.yahoo.com/cu20052003




I would actually suggest the opposite. IMO Women on the whole don't seem to suffer from inflated egos. However, we as Men, can suffer from this from time to time (as your post highlights!!!) and unfortunately there is no place for this in Trading.

Consequently, my personal belief is that women would probably be more capable of killing losses quickly by accepting they are wrong, more so than a man would.

I actually know a woman full-time trader who makes a very good living. Her level of discipline when it comes to trading is probably one of the highest I've personally seen.....

Chorlton
 
That is where you are wrong. Remember that lilith was the first women and then came eve ..........

Eve made the mistake as well .............

Females, being the fairer sex of the human species are not capable of standing on their own. Well, have you heard of the stubborn-ness of female humans? Most people have a certain traits inbuilt into their brain circuitry, its like programmed into their human system!

All humans have ego, that is why they are here to suffer ( on Earth that is ) and toil! Read the Torah ( Holy Bible ) The Ego overcomes the Soul and then suffering begins!
Disobedience is the greatest sin of All - look what happened to Lucifer ( he fell from being the beloved to becoming the lowest of the lows - Satan ) and other fallen ones!

Some females are submitting to their roles in the society, family or in the workplace. But given the chance these females of the human species would also rise up and become great Evils as well - the Ego is everywhere! Given a chance every woman wants to be a wanton person and have unlimited power - such is the unquenchaable source of evil and lust!

Well, one might ask - why it is not wrong to have enjoyment ( lust ) and power ( evil )
even for a lady as in this modern age of Equaliity for both sex entails .........
But ............

S K

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Hi there

Be the One for GOD, so that I may appoint a deliverer for thy SOUL!

HariHaraBramKalki(S K)

360.yahoo.com/cu20052003

The only one who's ego seems to be everywhere is yours.
You idiot!!!

The greatest sin is reading any of the crap you write.
Are you a trader or even pretend to be one?
What is with you and all this religious crap?

Some females are submitting to their roles in the society
Heheheheheheeh!!!!!!!!!!!!
You sound like some ex-psychatric patient pretending to be a Priest or Rabbi or Ayathollah.
 
Hi to All in this thread!

Just One very important point to note ............. GOD judge you and not you, yourself!!

So, even Beauty is not truly in the eyes of the beholder!

Well, it will be the Lord of the Light who truly judge the common Souls. Therefore, it is definitely not in the eye of the beholder!

That is just a feeling of success whicch to be honest is just job satisfaction .......... that's all!

It is not even about professionalism but just a feeling of ............. success? Feeling?
It is just a feeling ............ non tangible .........

S K

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Hi there

Be the One for GOD, so that I may appoint a deliverer for thy SOUL!

HariHaraBramKalki(S K)

360.yahoo.com/cu20052003



Hi cu20052003

Not quite sure if I understand your post or not, whilst some of your comments have merit I think that success is in the eye of the beholder. Being successful for me is reaching one's goal and we all have different goals.

Religion, biblical terminology, God etc etc has absolutely nothing to do with it. Even if you believe in a particular religion or a particular God it has no relevance whatsoever as most things (especially trading) happen due to cause and effect. In fact everything is cause and effect.

Quote' To be successful, One has to go the way of the Middle Path and to avoid the twon ends of the extremes, darling! That's how to be successful and to achieve that, One has to go with the natural flow of things'

Sorry, cannot agree with any of that. One does not have to take any specific 'path' and most of the successful people I know have never gone with 'the natural flow of things'.

The thing that sets many successful people apart from average people is the fact that they do things differently. They very often do not 'go with the flow', they normally take a different path to the rest of us, they have a vision different to rest of us and (more importantly) they have a different mindset and can never be told 'you can't do that' or 'you will not achieve that because.....'

Successful people in my opinion also reach their goal and then set another goal and another goal, replicating their success is like a drug to them. Most average people reach their goal (if they are lucky) and are content with that.

But at the end of the day what is regarded as success for you may not be success for me, we all have our own interpretation of success and this is why none of us can generalise or define a specific recipe to achieve it.

Two things I know for certain are that (1) there is always a little bit of luck involved (good and bad) and (2) we all make mistakes on the way.

The trick is to embrace good or bad luck and to learn from our mistakes.

Be happy,

Cofton
 
Jesus, who is this nut? (cu20032008)

This thread is turning into some kinda religious fruitcake place (and yes I have read your blog on the profile link you provide). God has no place in trading, God also has no place in helping people that think that if they pray to the almighty one he will make them get that job they wanted, or car, or other material object, he will also not help in getting them healed from flu ect, if he did, why does he not help the thousands upon thousands that die everyday from hunger and thirst, does he dislike these people? does God discriminate? Dont shoot me, there just questions, but many people dont want to ask them for fear they find the truth...and the truth will set you free.

For those that believe God will answer their prayers for help in...say, a job ect.
What people like you seem to forget (cu20032005) is that 10 other people went for that job and didn't get it, did God dislike these people, or will we just use some line like, 'it wasn't there turn ect'. Same in trading and the rest of the capitalist world we live in, God has no place here. Go to church, thats why they were built. Trade2win was built for traders. Theres no mix of the two.

Keep to your personal blog you promote on your signature about the end of the world ect and I'll keep to trading.

Cheers.
 
Just One very important point to note ............. GOD judge you and not you, yourself!!

So, even Beauty is not truly in the eyes of the beholder!

Well, it will be the Lord of the Light who truly judge the common Souls. Therefore, it is definitely not in the eye of the beholder!

That is just a feeling of success whicch to be honest is just job satisfaction .......... that's all!

It is not even about professionalism but just a feeling of ............. success? Feeling?
It is just a feeling ............ non tangible .........

S K

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Hi there

Be the One for GOD, so that I may appoint a deliverer for thy SOUL!

HariHaraBramKalki(S K)

360.yahoo.com/cu20052003

I think this guy is actually on the wind up here. I don't think he is going to get to many converts on T2W. However, he is likely to ruffle a few feathers posting this kind of garbage on a trading thread !!
 
Wow what great faith

Jesus, who is this nut? (cu20032008)

This thread is turning into some kinda religious fruitcake place (and yes I have read your blog on the profile link you provide). God has no place in trading, God also has no place in helping people that think that if they pray to the almighty one he will make them get that job they wanted, or car, or other material object, he will also not help in getting them healed from flu ect, if he did, why does he not help the thousands upon thousands that die everyday from hunger and thirst, does he dislike these people? does God discriminate? Dont shoot me, there just questions, but many people dont want to ask them for fear they find the truth...and the truth will set you free.

For those that believe God will answer their prayers for help in...say, a job ect.
What people like you seem to forget (cu20032005) is that 10 other people went for that job and didn't get it, did God dislike these people, or will we just use some line like, 'it wasn't there turn ect'. Same in trading and the rest of the capitalist world we live in, God has no place here. Go to church, thats why they were built. Trade2win was built for traders. Theres no mix of the two.

Keep to your personal blog you promote on your signature about the end of the world ect and I'll keep to trading.

Cheers.

I understand your questions and would be happy to answer them all, however I also agree this is not the place for this discussion.

I might only add that your assumptions regarding God and his actions, and also remarks regarding prayer etc; and your questioning although rhetorical is quite ironic that without any proof whatsoever requires great faith on your part to believe what you believe.
Consider that you believe many of the topics that you believe based on faith alone, or perhaps only what someone told you and nothing more. So even without a believe in God you appear to have great faith in whatever you believe regardless of weather there appears to be any proof to support your opinion of your believe.
Something to think about.

But in anycase there are answers to these questions and sensible ones at that perhaps which you may not have considered.

Anyhow another place, or perhaps another post.
Happy trading.
 
So even without a believe in God you appear to have great faith in whatever you believe regardless of weather there appears to be any proof to support your opinion of your believe.

What has the weather got to do with it ?
 
Thanks Gamma.

And Lee Shepherd I totally agree with you, trading is trading and absolutely nothing to do with God or religion. We've had disagreements previously but on this I totally agree with your views (y)

cu20052003, I do not need or want to be 'judged' by anyone.
There is no 'Lord of the Light' as far as I am concerned and none of us in T2W are 'common Souls'.

I think maybe cu20052003 you are in the wrong forum, or are you just winding us up ? :confused:

I didn't know God was into trading but thinking about it most of religion issues are to do with money (and power) so maybe God has found a new tool in trying to convert traders :LOL:.

Afterall we are a very rich bunch of tycoons so converting us will fill his pockets nicely thank you very much :D

Religion has no place here in my opinion, I love debate but religion is a farce, it is contradictive, it has killed more people than any holocaust has or ever will, it is insulting to anyone with half a brain cell, it achieves nothing positive as it's contradictive tones make it nonsense, the bible is sooo flawed, religion tries to scare people into thinking all pleasure is a sin and all suffering is good. I could go on but this is not the place.

If you get off on it then great, whatever makes you happy, and as John Lennon said 'whatever get's you through the night' but no one should come into a forum about trading and start giving us the old God/religion thing.

Anyway, as Gamma said 'let's steer the thread back!'

P.S. There is an eleventh commandment, it is :

'Thou shalt not bring God into trading, it just would not be fair on him !' :p

(I think the odds could be totally against him and upset all those other miracles)

Be happy

Cofton
 
Why ?

Thanks Gamma.

Religion has no place here in my opinion, I love debate but religion is a farce, it is contradictive, it has killed more people than any holocaust has or ever will, it is insulting to anyone with half a brain cell, it achieves nothing positive as it's contradictive tones make it nonsense, the bible is sooo flawed, religion tries to scare people into thinking all pleasure is a sin and all suffering is good. I could go on but this is not the place.

Cofton

I challenge every point you've made here.
Although I don't agree with cu20052003 either, regarding the sort of belittling of Women in general, but I do challenge your points.

Although, I do agree this may not be the place for this the subject seems to be gaining momentum.

Why do you consider religion to be a farce ? I'll take that challenge and ask how can you prove this ?
And, as far as the Bible goes I don't know which flaws you speak of but I challenge that as well.

It all depends on the religion, and many will say theirs is the truth and how can you tell with so many religions out there. Well just like any other thing you have to research and investigate.
The truth is out there
Although many can believe in blind faith, I challenge anyone to use the half brain cell they may have and consider the facts.
First you have to deal with evolution and the theory which has no proof or evidence whatsoever, but still teaches much of the topics which have now been disproved scientifically by DNA testing.Especially the supposed transitional forms that were claimed to have been found which have now been disproved.
That does not prove there is a God, however it does disprove evolution.
And then typically in science you have a theory,observation, then a conclusion. Why is the Darwin Conclusion not taught. Darwin toward the end of his life concluded that although he believes the process of evolution occurred this way he also admitted that it was impossible to have occurred by random chance but occurred by design. He himself later became a Christian.
Funny the founder of Evolution became a Christian and excepted Jesus in his life and that story is not taught at all.
Anyhow usually the whole doubt of a God stems from the believe in evolution typically, but no always.
And what about evolution anyhow, If there is no proof, and much evidence that is now disproved, why do they still teach it in schools along with the disproved portions ?

Oh well, nice debate starting here.
Happy trading to all.
Back to my charts.
 
Although many can believe in blind faith, I challenge anyone to use the half brain cell they may have and consider the facts.
Bringing up "facts" about evolution not being valid does not in any way prove that God exists.
AgentZ86 said:
First you have to deal with evolution and the theory which has no proof or evidence whatsoever, but still teaches much of the topics which have now been disproved scientifically by DNA testing.Especially the supposed transitional forms that were claimed to have been found which have now been disproved.
Incorrect.

The theory of evolution simply states that life(in all its current forms) evolved from something. Simple logic dictates this must be true. Even religion states that at one stage there was nothing. Out of that nothing came everything, inlcuding life. Life as we know it did not spring into existence exactly as it is today. Hence, evolution.

Now, even if you believe God created the basic lifeforms as we find them today simple observation shows evolution at work. Take a look at pretty much any doorway on a building from medieval times. You will notice it is much smaller than your average doorway today. Why is this so? Is it because they liked to duck whilst going through doors? Or is it because even in a few short hundreds of years humans have evolved to be larger than they were on average back then? This is a most basic and simple example that shows evolution at work.
AspireZ86 said:
And then typically in science you have a theory,observation, then a conclusion. Why is the Darwin Conclusion not taught. Darwin toward the end of his life concluded that although he believes the process of evolution occurred this way he also admitted that it was impossible to have occurred by random chance but occurred by design. He himself later became a Christian.
Funny the founder of Evolution became a Christian and excepted Jesus in his life and that story is not taught at all.
The reason Darwins "conclusion" that the process of evolution must have happened by design is not taught as part of the science of evolution is because it has no confirming evidence whatsoever. It is simply his opinion.

As you say, science involves theory, observation and then conclusion. A theory can consist of anything. Observation will either prove or disprove that theory. Valid conclusions must be based on the observable facts and not drawn from nothing.
AgentZ86 said:
Anyhow usually the whole doubt of a God stems from the believe in evolution typically, but no always.
And what about evolution anyhow, If there is no proof, and much evidence that is now disproved, why do they still teach it in schools along with the disproved portions ?
Actually I believe most people who doubt God do so because there is no verifiable evidence of God's existance and not because they believe in evolution.

As for your claim there is no proof regarding evolution, this is simply not true. Yes, some of the conclusions drawn regarding evolution have been shown to be incorrect but this does not mean the theory of evolution is incorrect.

Having said all that, I will go on record as saying I do actually believe in a "higher power" for want of a better word. It just irks me when someone uses twisted logic in an attempt to prove their point. Either for or against God or any other idea for that matter.

The thing about religion/God/spirituality/whatever concept you like is that it requires faith. Currently, any attempt to rationalise or prove the existence of God is bound to fail as we simply do not have the wherewithal to prove the existence of God. On the flip side, it is a logical impossibility to prove a negative and hence it can just as easily be said we do not have the wherewithal to disprove the existence of God. Hence the faith bit.

Some people choose to accept the concept of God on faith and others do not. Either one trying to "prove" their point is bound to fail so why waste so much time and effort?

Cheers,
PKFFW
 
I challenge every point you've made here.
Although I don't agree with cu20052003 either, regarding the sort of belittling of Women in general, but I do challenge your points.

Although, I do agree this may not be the place for this the subject seems to be gaining momentum.

Why do you consider religion to be a farce ? I'll take that challenge and ask how can you prove this ?
And, as far as the Bible goes I don't know which flaws you speak of but I challenge that as well.

It all depends on the religion, and many will say theirs is the truth and how can you tell with so many religions out there. Well just like any other thing you have to research and investigate.
The truth is out there
Although many can believe in blind faith, I challenge anyone to use the half brain cell they may have and consider the facts.
First you have to deal with evolution and the theory which has no proof or evidence whatsoever, but still teaches much of the topics which have now been disproved scientifically by DNA testing.Especially the supposed transitional forms that were claimed to have been found which have now been disproved.
That does not prove there is a God, however it does disprove evolution.
And then typically in science you have a theory,observation, then a conclusion. Why is the Darwin Conclusion not taught. Darwin toward the end of his life concluded that although he believes the process of evolution occurred this way he also admitted that it was impossible to have occurred by random chance but occurred by design. He himself later became a Christian.
Funny the founder of Evolution became a Christian and excepted Jesus in his life and that story is not taught at all.
Anyhow usually the whole doubt of a God stems from the believe in evolution typically, but no always.
And what about evolution anyhow, If there is no proof, and much evidence that is now disproved, why do they still teach it in schools along with the disproved portions ?

Oh well, nice debate starting here.
Happy trading to all.
Back to my charts.

I absolutely agree that anyone who wants to believe in superior beings, gods and other invisible entities should have the right to do so, and may they gather great comfort from doing so. It can be an uncomfortable existence without the re-assurance of the after-life. You may want to do a little more research on evolution and Darwin's religious views, however, lol !
 
I have no problem with people having a view on Religion/Gods/Afterlife etc etc. Frankly it doesn't bother me if people are Muslim,Buddhist, Christian or Catholic.

I don't appreciate however people ramming it down my throat. Now to be fair to AgentZ76 he has been quite the opposite and I have personally found his posts have been quite interesting and given me something to think about, especially the first response to Lee Shepherd. On the contrary CU200002's posts have been frankly awful the kind of thing I would expect from someone who is mesmerised by God.

At the end of the day I haven't logged on to T2W and looked at a thread called 90% fail to read about religion. I have clicked on this thread to read about why people believe 90% of traders fail.

So whilst I'm not a Moderator the best I can do is to click CU00002 on to ignore...
 
I think we have discovered one thing this week.

God is not a banker and he certainly does not work for Lehmans, Merrills, HBOS or AIG.

I reckon God is in oil.

No, I reckon he's into arms manufacturers.

He's probably long uranium too !

dd
 
Darwin toward the end of his life concluded that although he believes the process of evolution occurred this way he also admitted that it was impossible to have occurred by random chance but occurred by design. He himself later became a Christian.
Funny the founder of Evolution became a Christian and excepted Jesus in his life and that story is not taught at all.


There are no atheists in foxholes !


dd
 
WOW where to start ?

Bringing up "facts" about evolution not being valid does not in any way prove that God exists.

Incorrect.

The theory of evolution simply states that life(in all its current forms) evolved from something. Simple logic dictates this must be true. Even religion states that at one stage there was nothing. Out of that nothing came everything, inlcuding life. Life as we know it did not spring into existence exactly as it is today. Hence, evolution.

Now, even if you believe God created the basic lifeforms as we find them today simple observation shows evolution at work. Take a look at pretty much any doorway on a building from medieval times. You will notice it is much smaller than your average doorway today. Why is this so? Is it because they liked to duck whilst going through doors? Or is it because even in a few short hundreds of years humans have evolved to be larger than they were on average back then? This is a most basic and simple example that shows evolution at work.

The reason Darwins "conclusion" that the process of evolution must have happened by design is not taught as part of the science of evolution is because it has no confirming evidence whatsoever. It is simply his opinion.

As you say, science involves theory, observation and then conclusion. A theory can consist of anything. Observation will either prove or disprove that theory. Valid conclusions must be based on the observable facts and not drawn from nothing.

Actually I believe most people who doubt God do so because there is no verifiable evidence of God's existance and not because they believe in evolution.

As for your claim there is no proof regarding evolution, this is simply not true. Yes, some of the conclusions drawn regarding evolution have been shown to be incorrect but this does not mean the theory of evolution is incorrect.

Having said all that, I will go on record as saying I do actually believe in a "higher power" for want of a better word. It just irks me when someone uses twisted logic in an attempt to prove their point. Either for or against God or any other idea for that matter.

The thing about religion/God/spirituality/whatever concept you like is that it requires faith. Currently, any attempt to rationalise or prove the existence of God is bound to fail as we simply do not have the wherewithal to prove the existence of God. On the flip side, it is a logical impossibility to prove a negative and hence it can just as easily be said we do not have the wherewithal to disprove the existence of God. Hence the faith bit.

Some people choose to accept the concept of God on faith and others do not. Either one trying to "prove" their point is bound to fail so why waste so much time and effort?

Cheers,
PKFFW

Hmm, I'll try to start someplace with all this.
1. You stated
Bringing up "facts" about evolution not being valid does not in any way prove that God exists.
Answer: Yes I've also pointed this out in my previous post, however what it does do is prove that it's time to start looking elsewhere for the answer and not to the now disproved evidence that is still being taught.
2.You stated
The theory of evolution simply states that life(in all its current forms) evolved from something. Simple logic dictates this must be true. Even religion states that at one stage there was nothing. Out of that nothing came everything, inlcuding life. Life as we know it did not spring into existence exactly as it is today. Hence, evolution
Response: You are incorrect in your definition of evolution, in fact it's evolution that states that at one stage there was nothing and out of nothing there was something. In fact it is the evolution theory begining with the big bang theory. That states there was cosmic dust in which the larger dust particles caused the smaller cosmic dust particles to be attracted to the larger aka gravity and these particles continued over billions/trillions of years to form into one mass and this mass kept spinning and heating up and getting more and more dense until an explosion occurred and formed the universe as we know it.
So evolution miraculously states that dust just appear from nothing, no reason at all. My question is where did the cosmic dust come from, and what caused it to create gravity where there was none ? You see this evolution in it's purest form sounds almost silly when you really really look at it. Evolution suggests that from nothing came this dust, however when you consider cause and effect logic would dictate that if you had nothing before then you would still have nothing.
2a You stated:
Even religion states that at one stage there was nothing. Out of that nothing came everything, inlcuding life
Response: This is also incorrect, most religious believes who have the one God theory believe that God existed always, and that all things he created and thus logic would dictate at least according to the the science of cause and effect that you would have to have something to get something, so that would be more logical that something always existed rather then nothing being the cause of something because as I stated earlier if there was nothing you would still have nothing.This would not be logical at at all.
3 You stated:
Now, even if you believe God created the basic lifeforms as we find them today simple observation shows evolution at work. Take a look at pretty much any doorway on a building from medieval times. You will notice it is much smaller than your average doorway today. Why is this so? Is it because they liked to duck whilst going through doors? Or is it because even in a few short hundreds of years humans have evolved to be larger than they were on average back then? This is a most basic and simple example that shows evolution at work.
Response: This example is simple observation, but provides no real observed proof for example the tall man could also have other traits which allow him to live longer, produce more offsping and also perhaps simply overcome the shorter smaller man by means of overpowering him. Sort of like how man killed off the whales, but thats not proof of any evolution especially since there are a lot more people then you may know. In fact the average person is not 6ft-1in as I am but I'm considered tall, and most are not that tall.And also in many cases the kings or emperors could have dictated the size of doors in which case if they were short they would have most likely order the doors to be short.
I'm sorry but example here is just not very convincing. However you can make a simple observation that would disprove evolution very easy. If man evolved from monkey why are there still monkeys. A few link here when doing a search about the evelutionary fossil record: Evolution Fossil Record
Human Evolution
Basically logic would dictate that if life evolved and there were these small changes which brought about larger changes to the point that a new species evolved / or created etc. Then the fossil record should have left some evidence of this behind, however after millions of supposed years of evolution there are no transitional forms which would link one species to another. In fact the fossil record continues to show that species co-existed along side of one another always in history as opposed to one after the other.Including many symbiotic relationships between species that rely on one another to survive. With symbiotic species you can't have one evolved then the other this could not happen as the one requires the other as with many of the coral reefs which require the consumption of algae by other species in order not to be overcome by the algae etc.
4. You stated:
The reason Darwins "conclusion" that the process of evolution must have happened by design is not taught as part of the science of evolution is because it has no confirming evidence whatsoever. It is simply his opinion.
Response: If that is truly the case then why is any of the Darwin theory taught at all since there is no confirming evidence whatsoever, hence the term evolution theory.And as I've pointed out the fossil record shows nothing, the evidence shows nothing.
You see it's a puzzle, lets talk about the fossil record. Lets say for example you have species A=50million years ago, Species B=100 million years ago, Species C=150 million years ago and Species E=200 million years ago, and so on. Over the years other findings are uncovered and lets say species C which was found and determined to be New C=100 million years, Now What? See the problem, you can't just take New C and put it at B, because your data for B=100 million years and you can't just move the whole fossil record around because it won't match the data for the time line.And what would you now do with old C=150 million years just throw it away and have this gap ? And new fossils are always coming up and pre-dating old findings and now the fossil record is just a mess and cannot be taken seriously at this point.
5.You stated:
As you say, science involves theory, observation and then conclusion. A theory can consist of anything. Observation will either prove or disprove that theory. Valid conclusions must be based on the observable facts and not drawn from nothing
Response: I agree and I think that is my point exactly.
6.You stated:
Actually I believe most people who doubt God do so because there is no verifiable evidence of God's existence and not because they believe in evolution.
Response:I agree partially with this, although there is verifiable evidence of God's existence many are not aware there even could be verifiable evidence of God's existence so they doubt because they are looking for tangible concrete evidence. As I've pointed out Why ? They believe on faith in evolution many do not even know the exact theory of evolution and only a partial understanding yet they believe it whole heartedly why ? They believe in evolution with no verifiable evidence of evolutions existence why not God ? which is more believable then the theory of evolution ? If someone told me that you could shred a dictionary into a million pieces and put into a box and shake it up over millions of years that it could form back into a dictionary. I would never believe that could happen in a Dectillion years. Somehow evolutionists have gotten people to believe if the universe simply had all the elements that it could be shaken up accidentally by random chance process to form into what we have today just because all the pieces were supposedly there; and added millions of years to the equation it suppose to sound believable. And scientifically this makes no sense either. You don't get a system of order from chaos, random is random without order, and order is order and begets orders.hence design.
I don't care how many millions of years you shake up it will never form a dictionary or anything else that makes any sense or has any order to it at all.
But back to the subject of verifiable evidence of God's existence. I would say you have to treat it the same as the electron theory and build the case for God's existence. For example you can't see an electron and it's still just a theory and not fact. However everything we do electronically is based off the electron theory because we see the cause and effect that occurs when you apply various substances to a current of electricity to see the effect and then study the results. Even thought we cannot see an electron, however with the microscopes out now I'm not sure but it could be possible currently, but in any case all the effects that have measured are notable, however not necessarily verifiable proof. There are still theories that suggest that the electron could be a continuous wave as oppose to a single particle of negative energy surrounding the nucleus of an atom. There are other theories along side of the electron theory equally appealing, but never used as a standard.
Anyhow tangible concrete evidence may be available to some, however with most you have to build the case and research the subject like any other subject.
7.You stated:
As for your claim there is no proof regarding evolution, this is simply not true. Yes, some of the conclusions drawn regarding evolution have been shown to be incorrect but this does not mean the theory of evolution is incorrect.
Response:What proof of evolution is there really ? I believe there is micro evolution where a species has an ability to adapt, but nothing that transforms one species into another. There is just no evidence of that at all.If there were then this would not longer be a theory, however currently it is still just a theory. And I'm sorry to say that as the evidence that has previously been claimed slowly gets disproved in fact there is a point for many that it must be discounted.In fact there is now have evidence that would indicate there is a chromosome contained within the DNA of all species that is specifically there to prevent one species from transforming into another. So this is a major Giant stumbling block for evolutionist today.It is essentially proof that evolution is an impossibility with this new findings.
I mean for example; The theory talks about after the earth formed etc. that this gelatinous gue formed. And as more elements came into contact with this gue it became a single strand of RNA (Ribonucleic acid) which is the building blocks of life and later into DNA which later slowly formed into the simple cell Amoeba and later into the complex organisms etc. This sounds so unrealistic that this could have occurred anywhere in the universe let alone on earth with no evidence at all. In fact this theory insists that no oxygen could be present in order for this to occur, however the science and study of the earth and the oldest rock formations indicate that oxygen was always present on the earth even during the formation of the oldest rock formations that exist on the earth so that would also sort of crush the RNA gue theory as well.
This theory has sooo many holes in it you can't even call it a theory it's a faith based believe with no evidence at all to support it.No different then belief in the tooth fairy.It's just more complicated I'm sorry to say. And quite embarrassed as I myself was a believer in evolution.
8. You stated:
Having said all that, I will go on record as saying I do actually believe in a "higher power" for want of a better word. It just irks me when someone uses twisted logic in an attempt to prove their point. Either for or against God or any other idea for that matter.
Response: I agree.
9.You stated:
The thing about religion/God/spirituality/whatever concept you like is that it requires faith. Currently, any attempt to rationalise or prove the existence of God is bound to fail as we simply do not have the wherewithal to prove the existence of God. On the flip side, it is a logical impossibility to prove a negative and hence it can just as easily be said we do not have the wherewithal to disprove the existence of God. Hence the faith bit.

Some people choose to accept the concept of God on faith and others do not. Either one trying to "prove" their point is bound to fail so why waste so much time and effort?
Response:I do have some agreement here on this, however as I've stated in my other responses that building the case for individual verification is possible.
A good example is Love: Lets say your mother loves you, or perhaps your father, or wife etc. How do you know ? How can you tell if they love you or not ? You can touch it, you can't really see it, however there is a seeing that is not explainable, and their actions also would indicate, but is this verifiable. Yes but perhaps only to you. However, you could not now attempt to express or proof to someone else that your mother ,father or wife love you. But you have experienced enough relationship with them and gotten to know them in a way that you do know they love you. In fact even if sometimes their actions may not indicate this or perhaps seem contrary.
So is the existence of God verifiable ? Yes ? but that would be verified by you ? And can only be verified by you and not by me.If God exists surely he would reveal himself to you if you wanted to know him.I can surely verify for myself that my wife loves me, and can provide no verifiable evidence to prove this to anyone else, although the evidence does exist. And I can discuss this subject with other who also have a wife or family that love them and surely we can congregate and discuss without any of us ever having to prove to them that this love is real in a tangible or concrete method. But it is real ? How can this be real if you can't see it or touch it ? Who cares ? It just is ? And the evidence is verifiable. But how then is it verifiable without concrete proof ? The answer is that it's all about building the case. And there is lots of ways of looking at things, but to say that trying to prove there is a God or lack of will fail I don't agree with that. Because there is so much evidence of creation it's a matter of looking around and some research.
Lots more to discuss on this, but I think I've answered adequately.

Sorry for the long winded response, but it's a long winded subject for sure.
I hope I've answered adequately and without offense
Best of everything and Happy trading.
 
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Oh no. The dark ages have reached T2W. Thank any deity that cares to be thanked that George W (I've seen the light) Bush will soon be gone and hopefully the religious right with him.

America, land of innovation, has become land of science deniers.

Just some tiny points in the prior post ... as long as I can bear to read it.

1. Evolution is a theory and currently the evidence supports it (the facts don't invalidate it at all). In its simplest form evolution states that the most adaptable survive ... and that this drives the development of the earth's species.

2. Nowhere in respectable scientists definitions will you find a stupid (creationist) statement like: "at one stage there was nothing and out of nothing there was something"

Like most creationists you mix poor science with stupidity and confusion to create rubbish. Feel free to provide references out of a non-creationist source (and don't just quote their sources as they tend to mix lies with untruth to capture their fan base).

3. Man has not "killed off the whales." I saw a couple the other day and they were very healthy.

I can't even bring myself to read the rest of it. No wonder the markets are going down.
 
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