The fight for Mosul

Pat494

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It looks like the forces are gathering to take Mosul back from Islamic State. There are at least 5 different groups in a loose coalition. Can they hold together long enough to take Mosul and what happens if/when IS falls ?
The US record of " after the battle " in the Middle East is abysmal so far. Will it be more of the same ?
It is likely to be a tough struggle. IS is reported to have dug extensive trench and tunnel systems. They are threatening to use human shields, IE bombs and even poison gas.

A nasty situation alright.
 
Iraqi forces are "ahead of schedule", the Pentagon has said, as they begin the second day of the battle to retake Mosul from so-called Islamic State.
But spokesman Peter Cook warned that the campaign "could take some time" to as it remained to be seen whether the jihadist group would "stand and fight".
Fighting continued overnight, with IS militants attacking Iraqi army tanks.
A BBC correspondent with an army unit says the southern frontline is still some 40km (24 miles) from the city.
 
It is a tragedy that so many young people were taken in by Isis propaganda and will lose their lives in a useless struggle for a demonic group.
IF it had been for a progressive and peaceful group they would probably be celebrating successes and more to come but violence rules in The Middle East and the battles are fought. The dead will soon be forgotten.
 
Absolutely more of the same if clinton becomes president.

Peter


It might sound cynical but wouldn't she calculate its better to have somewhere to fight IS in conventional warfare, in which they can be beaten? And if you're doing that, isn't it better in Iraq than some other places that are more important (to the US)? Plus in Iraq, you can use mostly local forces to do it for you.
 
It might sound cynical but wouldn't she calculate its better to have somewhere to fight IS in conventional warfare, in which they can be beaten? And if you're doing that, isn't it better in Iraq than some other places that are more important (to the US)? Plus in Iraq, you can use mostly local forces to do it for you.

One wonders just what has been promised and to whom to risk their lives attacking Mosul.I am surprised the USA hasn't got a robot army/air force to move in. All possible with current technology.
 
pat494 said:
The US record of " after the battle " in the Middle East is abysmal so far. Will it be more of the same ?

Donald would probably nooook 'em Plus the civilians.

So which do you want, Pat? Can't have it both ways. IMO, Hillary is just an extension of Obama's failed international policies, but except all you folks across the big pond, I don't know anyone here who actually believes Trump would use nukes as a first strike anywhere in the world. He's all about winning and even he knows a nuke war is a no win situation.

Just my opinion. I'm casting my ballot for Trump. If he loses, so be it. I will still own my statements here.

Peter
 
So which do you want, Pat? Can't have it both ways. IMO, Hillary is just an extension of Obama's failed international policies, but except all you folks across the big pond, I don't know anyone here who actually believes Trump would use nukes as a first strike anywhere in the world. He's all about winning and even he knows a nuke war is a no win situation.

Just my opinion. I'm casting my ballot for Trump. If he loses, so be it. I will still own my statements here.

Peter

Vote for who you want of course but personally I wouldn't be voting for either candidate if I had a vote there that is.
 
The problem there is the US....

The west is loosing the war against terrorism which are only a bunch of desperate, easy to clean up but the US has not interest in doing so because they want confusion.

Syria is a vital hub for commercial reasons, very important so the Saudi, Us allied. Through Syria they can deliver their business to the rest of the world otherwise they need to take another route which is not a commercial viable. (This story about sunnis and shiites is just an excuse, the real reason is money which is power)

Now the terrorist are losing ground because Russia got involved, the US do not like it and trying to make troubles and feeding them the terrosits.

This is all about business and Russia and Us are taking the opposite side and can escalate, Obama and Clinton are only muppets, Trumps is a bit nutty but not a muppet, he want to give what is needed.

Clear the **** out of the middle east, dismantle the Saudi family and his bunch of terrorists to give same stability for the people in the area so the people can build they own sovereignty and creating a proper social structures without the influence of tyranny.

So we all get back to business.
 
The problem there is the US....

The west is loosing the war against terrorism which are only a bunch of desperate, easy to clean up but the US has not interest in doing so because they want confusion.

Syria is a vital hub for commercial reasons, very important so the Saudi, Us allied. Through Syria they can deliver their business to the rest of the world otherwise they need to take another route which is not a commercial viable. (This story about sunnis and shiites is just an excuse, the real reason is money which is power)

Now the terrorist are losing ground because Russia got involved, the US do not like it and trying to make troubles and feeding them the terrosits.

This is all about business and Russia and Us are taking the opposite side and can escalate, Obama and Clinton are only muppets, Trumps is a bit nutty but not a muppet, he want to give what is needed.

Clear the **** out of the middle east, dismantle the Saudi family and his bunch of terrorists to give same stability for the people in the area so the people can build they own sovereignty and creating a proper social structures without the influence of tyranny.

So we all get back to business.

I admire your sentiments but regrettably the same was thought about Libya etc. They got rid of Gaddafi and got an even worse bunch of thugs. The US tries to parachute in democracy etc. but with little success. The locals will take a century or more to get those sort of ideas in place.
 
I admire your sentiments but regrettably the same was thought about Libya etc. They got rid of Gaddafi and got an even worse bunch of thugs. The US tries to parachute in democracy etc. but with little success. The locals will take a century or more to get those sort of ideas in place.

Democracy is not something you export like bananas......It is gain by being engaged every day at a personal level wherever you live.....

The US is there for power only and yes made a mess out of it but still are in control with the help of the Saudi......now they want to do the same with Syria as they did with Lybia but it is not going to happen because Russia is involved......

Russia is also exporting gas to the west and his business are interrupted with the Ukraine incident solicited again by the US, now Russia has made a deal with Turkey to solve the problem but they are not happy about the all thing...

If Clinton goes to power it can be dangerous for every body, if Trump goes we might get rid of all those parasites and finally give the people of the Middle East some time to breath...
 
The situation of ordinary people in the middle east is a tough situation to stomach. Who knows how things will turn out.

But for now the west must be counted as safer with Libya, Iraq and Syria effectively neutralised as aggressive sovereign states. The US leads this effort.
 
We had our religious wars in Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries. The 3rd world is catching up. It has taken centuries in Europe to get a half decent version of democracy as the Churches and other power groups fought for power. The US has it's own version based on money, which gives power to the rich to become even richer.
 
This business is not about religion, it is about power.

Religion is the only tool available to justify this obscenity


We agree on this, but religious laws are used to persuade the footsoldiers. And the sole object of an islamic state is to safeguard the country for the populace to adhere to islamic teachings.
 
It always surprises me that the religious teachers always look back to a supposed golden age of enlightenment when in fact as everyone knows things progress as more people consider the problems and possibilities. The obvious area of progression is of course science. Maybe it should also be in faith.
 
Islam is holding back the advancements of its own adherents. More graduates from Trinity College Oxford have won Nobel Prizes than the entire Muslim world (even including the disputable Nobel awards for peace).
 
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