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Old Oct 4, 2017, 8:56pm   #76
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The UK is only a small country when it comes to land area. While the really big countries with wide open spaces refuse to have their quota of refugees.
A leader of strength would cut the immigrants down to zero. Only tourists, paying students, essential workers should be allowed in and that on a strictly temporary basis.
Tough decisions need to be taken. There are 100s of millions of disadvantaged people around the world. They can't all come here.
The do gooders and Blairites say they should but it is clearly impractical.

This is to the point. Why should refugees from someone else's war be encouraged to settle in the UK when refugees from floods and earthquakes and hurricanes (and poverty for that matter) are not? What's the difference?

The difference is political point-scoring by the left, not humane treatment of their fellow men.
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This is to the point. Why should refugees from someone else's war be encouraged to settle in the UK when refugees from floods and earthquakes and hurricanes (and poverty for that matter) are not? What's the difference?
Refugees from floods and earthquakes and hurricanes aren't in danger of being raped, tortured, gassed, starved, and otherwise subjected to all the little pleasantries we have invented to toy with each other.

You've forgotten about the SS St Louis. But so, it seems, has everyone else.
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Refugees from floods and earthquakes and hurricanes aren't in danger of being raped, tortured, gassed, starved, and otherwise subjected to all the little pleasantries we have invented to toy with each other.

You've forgotten about the SS St Louis. But so, it seems, has everyone else.

Why does one victim qualify for residence in Europe and the other not?
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The idea that politicians are there to serve the interests of the people is frankly ludicrous.. I've never seen a shred of evidence to support it.

Apart from a few backbenchers, who get into politics for the right reasons, and rarely achieve anything beyond reigning in the worst of ideas and plans, all we see are a group of talentless, unimaginative, massively under performing and underwhelming mediocrities.

The best thing that could happen is if they mostly did nothing because everything they touch fails, costs a lot of money and makes the problems worse.

The whole establishment is riddled with peadophiles, liars and chiseling litlle self entitled hippocrites who rightly, believe they are above the law.

They are nothing more than a bunch of traitors who make empty speeches aboout freedom, justice and democracy while cheering after having voted to drop yet more bombs on people in the Middle East based on yet more lies and at the beck and call of Israel and the US.

Against this backdrop, Farage pulled off a modern day miracle and looks like a giant compared to the majority of the political pygmies who are doing their best to reverse the result of the referendum.

If we had real democracy we would have real leadership. That is the real reason you don't see it


When we had kings and queens ruling the country, you had real leadership because there was real power there.

What we have now is a bunch of puppets carrying out a global agenda that is decided in secret with no accountability.

That is the truth of the matter.

It kind of makes a nonsense of political discussion.

What we should have done is invoked article 50 on day 1. They had a clear mandate and the momentum to do that.

That didn't happen- not because we needed time to formulate a strategy (with the smokescreen claim that the civil service hadn't even prepared a plan B) but because the political class are traitors who, apart from a few exceptions in the Tory party have no intention of letting this country govern itself

Next- We should have immediately announced that we were going to world trade arrrangements.

Absolutely no need for negotiating with a bunch of facists who don't ever negotiate.

That would have completely out manoevered the EU and left them looking like the feeble bureacrats that they really are.

Business would know from day 1 exactly where they stood.

The Tories would look immensley strong. it would have played well to the leavers in the Tory party.

Corbyn would have been neutered. The remainers would have no legal or moral basis to stand in the way of democracy. And, in fact they don't anyway.

And the EU could go whistle for the ransom they are demanding.

Other countries thinking about leaving,? Just think how much more emboldened they would feel if they saw such swift decisive action.

And at this point it would be in the EU's interest to reform itself (which it never will ) or die (which I hope to see in my life time).

Instead the Tories look weak- but then look who we're dealing with.

I bet many tories actually believe that Boris is just pretending to be a clown as some kind of brilliant disguise.

The truth is he is exactly what he looks like.

He even proved to be completely useless at stabbing his own leader in the back. A feat most Tories manage in their stride.


Farage might regret leaving. UKIP look weak ever since he left. The job is only half done. And if the traitors and the EU have their way it will never be done.







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Farage aside. He may have pulled off the greatest political achievement this century, but the establishment were never going to invite him to the top table to see the job through.

So we are where we are, which is not a very good place at all.
We have an accidental PM who's conviction is misaligned with the job that needs to be done. The negotiation so far is nothing short of a complete joke. Teresa the appeaser has been trying to accommodate too many people and groups in her hotch potch Brexit plan. Consequently, the initiative has been taken up by the other side and we now find ourselves on the back foot. The only way now to recover the situation, is for the Tories to oust May and if they have any sense, they will put Mogg in charge.

Mogg will already have a Brexit plan that will be fully thought through and implementable, even if it means walking away. He's not the sort of chap the Europeans would want to mess with.

Remainers, subverters and de-railers have a lot to answer for in this process. Which is why i'm giving them a hard time. They deserve it!
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[SIZE=4]What we have now is a bunch of puppets carrying out a global agenda that is decided in secret with no accountability.

David, I was reading with interest until you mentioned this global agenda decided in secrecy BS.
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An interesting post, thank you.


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The idea that politicians are there to serve the interests of the people is frankly ludicrous.. I've never seen a shred of evidence to support it. Isn't that confusing theory with practice?

Apart from a few backbenchers, who get into politics for the right reasons, and rarely achieve anything beyond reigning in the worst of ideas and plans, all we see are a group of talentless, unimaginative, massively under performing and underwhelming mediocrities. Churchill/Atlee/Bevin/Macmillan/Blair/Thatcher ??

The best thing that could happen is if they mostly did nothing because everything they touch fails, costs a lot of money and makes the problems worse. And let Sir Humphrey run everything?

The whole establishment is riddled with peadophiles, liars and chiseling litlle self entitled hippocrites who rightly, believe they are above the law. No doubt there are pockets of this but "riddled"? – Where's the evidence?

They are nothing more than a bunch of traitors who make empty speeches aboout freedom, justice and democracy while cheering after having voted to drop yet more bombs on people in the Middle East based on yet more lies and at the beck and call of Israel and the US. Do you mean Tony Blair? – He never represented everybody.

Against this backdrop, Farage pulled off a modern day miracle and looks like a giant compared to the majority of the political pygmies who are doing their best to reverse the result of the referendum. Absolutely!

If we had real democracy we would have real leadership. That is the real reason you don't see it
So what is real democracy? Isn't what we've got "the least worst option" to quote Churchill? What's your definition of real democracy?

When we had kings and queens ruling the country, you had real leadership because there was real power there. Yes – and not a lot of democracy!

What we have now is a bunch of puppets carrying out a global agenda that is decided in secret with no accountability. Evidence? Examples?

That is the truth of the matter.

It kind of makes a nonsense of political discussion. Not if you argue from evidence and logical reasoning.

What we should have done is invoked article 50 on day 1. They had a clear mandate and the momentum to do that. Absolutely!

That didn't happen- not because we needed time to formulate a strategy (with the smokescreen claim that the civil service hadn't even prepared a plan B) but because the political class are traitors who, apart from a few exceptions in the Tory party have no intention of letting this country govern itself The metropolitan elite always know what's best for the rest of us don't they

Next- We should have immediately announced that we were going to world trade arrrangements.

Absolutely no need for negotiating with a bunch of facists who don't ever negotiate.

That would have completely out manoevered the EU and left them looking like the feeble bureacrats that they really are. Absolutely!

Business would know from day 1 exactly where they stood.

The Tories would look immensley strong. it would have played well to the leavers in the Tory party.

Corbyn would have been neutered. The remainers would have no legal or moral basis to stand in the way of democracy. And, in fact they don't anyway.

And the EU could go whistle for the ransom they are demanding.

Other countries thinking about leaving,? Just think how much more emboldened they would feel if they saw such swift decisive action.

And at this point it would be in the EU's interest to reform itself (which it never will ) or die (which I hope to see in my life time).

Instead the Tories look weak- but then look who we're dealing with. Agree all above.

I bet many tories actually believe that Boris is just pretending to be a clown as some kind of brilliant disguise.

The truth is he is exactly what he looks like.

He even proved to be completely useless at stabbing his own leader in the back. A feat most Tories manage in their stride. IMHO Boris is greatly underestimated and not the cad he sometimes allows himself to be portrayed as. An intellectual and successful two-term London Mayor.


Farage might regret leaving. UKIP look weak ever since he left. The job is only half done. And if the traitors and the EU have their way it will never be done.
The Conservatives rejected Farage as a member – they will live to regret it.


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. . .Mogg will already have a Brexit plan that will be fully thought through and implementable, even if it means walking away. He's not the sort of chap the Europeans would want to mess with. . .
Hi c_v,
Jacob Rees-Mogg as PM is unlikely to happen. Unfortunately, he wrote his own political obituary with his completely outdated views on gay marriage and abortion. He's a very smart chap, but not smart enough to realize that religion and politics don't mix. He should have kept his Catholic views to himself or, at the very least, been less willing to wear them on his sleeve. It was a huge mistake: one which at the very least will stifle - and possibly halt - his political ambitions. A real shame.
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Hi c_v,
Jacob Rees-Mogg as PM is unlikely to happen. Unfortunately, he wrote his own political obituary with his completely outdated views on gay marriage and abortion. He's a very smart chap, but not smart enough to realize that religion and politics don't mix. He should have kept his Catholic views to himself or, at the very least, been less willing to wear them on his sleeve. It was a huge mistake: one which at the very least will stifle - and possibly halt - his political ambitions. A real shame.
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Perhaps politicians should not just pander to current views in order to get elected but hold out a bit on principles.
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Perhaps politicians should not just pander to current views in order to get elected but hold out a bit on principles.
Hi Pat,
Yes, that's a fair point and I do credit JRM for doing just that. But that's the only (tiny) silver lining and one which I doubt will carry much weight with the vast majority of people who think he's totally out of touch with the modern world in general - and the modern woman in particular.
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Jacob Rees-Mogg as PM is unlikely to happen. Unfortunately, he wrote his own political obituary with his completely outdated views on gay marriage and abortion. He's a very smart chap, but not smart enough to realize that religion and politics don't mix. He should have kept his Catholic views to himself or, at the very least, been less willing to wear them on his sleeve. It was a huge mistake: one which at the very least will stifle - and possibly halt - his political ambitions. A real shame.
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Tim, I initially thought the same but having listened to callers on LBC radio, the one thing that came through was that even people of different political colours liked the fact that he knows what he thinks and is prepared to state it. (Isn't that May's great shortcoming – she doesn't really know what she truly believes in: only what others tell her is flavour of the day?) He also makes it perfectly clear that they are his personal views and not those to be adopted by a party. But you're probably right – the party machine wouldn't dare take the risk.
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I'd better leave the points addressed to me unanswered.I don't want to hijack the thread.

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I'd better leave the points addressed to me unanswered.I don't want to hijack the thread.

That's very restrained David. I was thinking of starting a new political thread based on a question I posed the other say - who was the last competent PM or minister we had had. I will do that and I hope you and sminicooper etc. will get involved there.
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