The Next US President

This is a discussion on The Next US President within the The Foyer forums, part of the Off the Grid category; Originally Posted by timsk Clinton: 228. Trump: 279. That was easy, next question! Electoral points, yes. Popular vote points, no. ...

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Old Nov 10, 2016, 4:24pm   #1377
 
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Clinton: 228. Trump: 279. That was easy, next question!
Electoral points, yes. Popular vote points, no.

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Brexit isn't really comparable because we voted to leave a broken system we didn't like, that showed no interest or willingness to change and would only go from bad to worse as time went by.
All of which is your opinion, and that's fine. I'm not British and I don't live there so I've avoided commenting on Brexit. But the outcome was unanticipated by many, the vote was close, and a lot of people aren't happy about it, so the comparisons are worth making.
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Old Nov 10, 2016, 4:30pm   #1378
 
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So when your government care more about minority group non issues...then you know for certain they have lost the plot and need to be ousted.

America has chosen to reprioritize. It has a chance now to deal with it's real issues. Economy and jobs.
Democracy operates according to the will of the majority while protecting the rights of the minority. It's not up to the majority to decide for the minority what are or are not "non-issues". Your own history should tell you that.

As for the "real issues" here, they have more to do with inequity than with its consequences. We can futz with the symptoms from now till the Second Coming, but unless and until we address the causes, it will all be for nought.
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the vote wasn't "for" trump it was against the dysfunctional political deadlock we've had for yrs. it was "just throw a minkey wrench into machinery and break it. hopefully when they fix it i'll be better off' vote.

trump is that minkey wrench. thats a dangerous way to place your vote, imo
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The monkey wrench as you call it was necessary. The current situation was and is a cancer. It was a choice between dying a slow death with convention treatment (Status Quo - Clinton) or the experimental new drug, which might help (Trump). Choosing the experimental drug might actually cure you or it might kill you quicker. However, I for one, think a slow painful death is much worse. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. The status quo is not working. You must change something.
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Goodness gracious Mr T,

We have had one of the most vulgar and most sickening of a narcissistic man run for the most powerful position in the World using language that makes me look good.

Here we have a few protesters demonstrating venting some frustrations and sadness at what has come to be and you are on your high horse about how you perceive democracy should be?

On the other hand we have the Brexit vote where any comment or opinion expressed is mocked as moaning. These are labels coming from the Eurosceptics who've been moaning for the last 40+ years.

I think people who dish it should be able to take it.

Protesting by the way is not the same as over turning the vote. So no worries. Let the people express and vent some emotion.

I dread to think along with the black population the hispanic pops will become target practice for the police for simply running away from them.

Have a smoke and chill old bean. Let the peeps have their shout.

No, no, no. My horse is higher than you can know, and I'm happy to lecture the best.

Democracy comprises duties as well as rights. Democracy includes the duty to accept the democratic process. It includes the right to protest but mindless protest is wasteful. Protest against democracy itself should be seen as treasonable to Americans and British, something we expect in Muslim states and dictatorships but not at home.

Better for these people to just take it and chill, in your own words.

Of course, I absolutely hope they will protest if some unpalatable Trump policy is put up.

On Brexit, I voted Remain but immediately advocated on this site that we show the EU a united front to get the best deal from Article 50 negotiations. Again, the democratic process at work.
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No, no, no. My horse is higher than you can know, and I'm happy to lecture the best.

Democracy comprises duties as well as rights. Democracy includes the duty to accept the democratic process. It includes the right to protest but mindless protest is wasteful. Protest against democracy itself should be seen as treasonable to Americans and British, something we expect in Muslim states and dictatorships but not at home.

Better for these people to just take it and chill, in your own words.

Of course, I absolutely hope they will protest if some unpalatable Trump policy is put up.

On Brexit, I voted Remain but immediately advocated on this site that we show the EU a united front to get the best deal from Article 50 negotiations. Again, the democratic process at work.
Absolutely. The irony is that they are the preaching "no more violence" and yet, what are they doing but starting more violence. They are not protesting peacefully. They are starting garbage fires, setting effigies on fire. They don't want the police to hurt them, but they are hurting them. People have already been arrested for assault. Who do people think will put out those fires? The cities will have to have their firemen working in a possibly dangerous situation if those fires get out of control.

Wait for Trump to do something bad before crying foul. Imagine a minority walking into a white neighborhood. A white person may call the police because they are up to no good, but in reality they have not done anything wrong yet. Wait for them to break the law before you call the police. That is what all those protesters wanted in Cleveland, Ferguson,... So, wait for Trump to do something bad through policy before shouting, "They sky is falling, the sky is falling."

They are acting like children. "I am taking my ball and going home." Republicans did not protest with fires and the like during the Obama presidency, nor did they during the Clinton administration. Whenever these people (it is obvious who and why) don't get their way, they throw a tantrum.

Occupy Wall Street and now this. They keep saying that uneducated people voted for Trump. Fearmongering and causing havoc is STUPID. They are the uneducated ones.

@tomorton makes a good point about the Brexit as well. Non-Trump voters should be showing a united front. Unity is better for this country. It benefits everyone involved. Instead they are only concerned with what they want.
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Old Nov 10, 2016, 5:53pm   #1383
 
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The monkey wrench as you call it was necessary. The current situation was and is a cancer. It was a choice between dying a slow death with convention treatment (Status Quo - Clinton) or the experimental new drug, which might help (Trump). Choosing the experimental drug might actually cure you or it might kill you quicker. However, I for one, think a slow painful death is much worse. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. The status quo is not working. You must change something.
ya, the solution is lets put someone in highest office with no experience governing..

yep thats the answer only answer i could think of

lets play roulette with the world...ALL IN RED!!! spin that wheel!
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