Revolutionary Times (Spin Off from TEC)

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Old Mar 29, 2011, 11:24am   #76
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You never mentioned it,
So what ?

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never had a revolution in Blighty and never will have one?
Keep dreaming,
No dreams here, just look at history in the UK and note that institutionally we are set up in a way that will make this extremely difficult. Also bear in mind that we have a dumbed down population that cannot be bothered to do anything if it means missing Eastenders.

Where exactly is the revolution going to come from with such apathy that we have here and more importantly what are the revolutionists going to replace what we have with ?

The UK has had much harder times than this during the 1920s and 1930s when people such as my Grandfather (who was a miner), were all on a countrywide strike and political beliefs were much more strongly aligned that they are today. Did it result in revolution ? No so why would it now when we have such weakness of character in the general population as a whole.

Even when I was union chairman in a manufacturing plant back in the early 1990s the weakness of people to see things through was obvious and we are even weaker now than we were then with the "Generation Y" mentality.

All this talk about what is going to happen is exactly that just talk. We don't have any strong or charasmatic leaders to lead any revolution and that is essential if it is going to happen. Posting on twitter and other social networking sites to hijack demonstrations with violence without leadership is also just thuggery and if you think that the population as a whole is going to join that bandwagon then think again because they wont.

My parents and grandparents have all retold the stories of how in the past people were talking of revolution and it never happened. This generation will also do the same but with hugely dumbed down and weakened character and based on that the likelihood of revolution is extremely low.

When you say "keep dreaming" I suggest you look in the mirror.


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Old Mar 30, 2011, 1:48am   #77
 
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No dreams here, just look at history in the UK and note that institutionally we are set up in a way that will make this extremely difficult. Also bear in mind that we have a dumbed down population that cannot be bothered to do anything if it means missing Eastenders.

Where exactly is the revolution going to come from with such apathy that we have here and more importantly what are the revolutionists going to replace what we have with ?

The UK has had much harder times than this during the 1920s and 1930s when people such as my Grandfather (who was a miner), were all on a countrywide strike and political beliefs were much more strongly aligned that they are today. Did it result in revolution ? No so why would it now when we have such weakness of character in the general population as a whole.

Even when I was union chairman in a manufacturing plant back in the early 1990s the weakness of people to see things through was obvious and we are even weaker now than we were then with the "Generation Y" mentality.

All this talk about what is going to happen is exactly that just talk. We don't have any strong or charasmatic leaders to lead any revolution and that is essential if it is going to happen. Posting on twitter and other social networking sites to hijack demonstrations with violence without leadership is also just thuggery and if you think that the population as a whole is going to join that bandwagon then think again because they wont.

My parents and grandparents have all retold the stories of how in the past people were talking of revolution and it never happened. This generation will also do the same but with hugely dumbed down and weakened character and based on that the likelihood of revolution is extremely low.

When you say "keep dreaming" I suggest you look in the mirror.


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Paul,
I think you and me have a different view of the word Revolution, You must think it has to be almost civil war. No that is not what I think. True your grandfather was a miner in the 20 th or 30th but todays miners have a much better job with reasonable pay and most of all good safety standards. How did that come about? The rich owners saw the errors of their ways? You were a union official, I was General Manager of a manufacturing company and went through a number of EB negotiations, some of them got personal. I agree with your sentiment re the masses, but let me tell you that once people go hungry or feel the fall of their living standards they will wake up and do something. It is happening here in the lucky country now. The chinese proverb 'every journey of a 1000 miles starts with one step forward' . The worst thing is that if people who are obviously aware of the **** that happens do NOTHING, and I am sorry but you seem to fit that category.
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Old Mar 30, 2011, 1:07pm   #78
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FYI I was not only a Union chairman but have been in general management and a company director in both manufacturing and service industries before taking to trading. I have done more for moving forward continuous improvement philosophies, tools and techniques than most. However, during the last 20 years I have seen increasing apathy at every level of the population.

You talk about people going hungry well I ask how is this going to come about ?
The idea that a fall in living standards will cause a big change in people is not born out by when that has previously happened. It also presupposes that everyone will take the view that someone else is to blame for that happening when many will take the view that life is what you make it. For major change to happen you need strong leadership and I see none of that anywhere at the moment. I come into contact with people from all walks of life and yes many are having to scale back on what their standard of living has been. I don't hear them talking about doing anything about it on a large scale and I travel around the UK enough to get an overall view.

I tell you what, if we come back to this thread in 5 years time I would bet not much has really changed.


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You are 100% right Paul.
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Old Mar 31, 2011, 12:55pm   #82
 
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Old Apr 1, 2011, 8:00am   #83
 
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FYI I was not only a Union chairman but have been in general management and a company director in both manufacturing and service industries before taking to trading. I have done more for moving forward continuous improvement philosophies, tools and techniques than most. However, during the last 20 years I have seen increasing apathy at every level of the population.

You talk about people going hungry well I ask how is this going to come about ?
The idea that a fall in living standards will cause a big change in people is not born out by when that has previously happened. It also presupposes that everyone will take the view that someone else is to blame for that happening when many will take the view that life is what you make it. For major change to happen you need strong leadership and I see none of that anywhere at the moment. I come into contact with people from all walks of life and yes many are having to scale back on what their standard of living has been. I don't hear them talking about doing anything about it on a large scale and I travel around the UK enough to get an overall view.

I tell you what, if we come back to this thread in 5 years time I would bet not much has really changed.


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Paul, I am not scratching for a quid, on the contrary, I just know that we are being taken for suckers by the politicians and Banks, and the average , complacent Joe will not do much about it, sheep mentality,
that is why the more intelligent lot has to lead and look to get some egality for people, my mates are all doing well , I do know lots of people who do not and just accept their fate , it is up to us to lead and educate.
Life IS what you make it , unfortunately the majority of people are ignorant. Ask them what the different parties stand for before an election and you will find that most have got no clue.
Anyway you seem happy with the things the way they are, that's fine, my conscience tells me I must try to make people aware.
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Old Apr 1, 2011, 8:14am   #84
 
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Packerboy, thanks , we must keep this up, you get all the stuff , I distribute.
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Old Apr 1, 2011, 10:00am   #85
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Rainer,

I actually agree with you and your sentiments.


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Old Apr 4, 2011, 6:27am   #86
 
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Rainer,

I actually agree with you and your sentiments.


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Paul, same here, just took a while, it is always difficult to get the whole message through in a few sentences and with different upbringings the thoughts often are misread by either party.
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Hi Packerboy, you have been very quiet lately, been looking fwd to your contributions, haven't been locked up by the CIA I hope?
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