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This is a forum thread for discussing the Knowledge Lab Article, "Stage Analysis - finding the 'breakout' shares".

newtrader22

simple, superb and powerful way to get in and out of markets. certainly will pay traders if they adhere to these rules.

newtrader22

Jack o'Clubs

Quite a good article, although my problem with the Weinstein book is that markets or stocks rarely look like the perfect examples always given of the four-stage cycle. e.g is the weekly FTSE chart at the moment in Stage 2 or entering Stage 3? And how would one have interpreted May, when the market fell through its 30-period MA? Was that the start of a Stage 3 move, and if so would you have stayed out of the market since then (thus missing some quite nice gains?).

Also, given the timescales implied (analysis is from weekly, not daily charts), I kept thinking of Pascal's maxim: Man's unhappiness stems from his inability to sit quietly in a room. The article talks about the problems of over-trading, but trading at this glacial pace brings its own challenges!

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dbphoenix

The article's fine as far as giving a general overview of Weinstein, which in turn is a general overview of "stage analysis" (all of this, with the exception of Weinstein's use of the 150dma, is Wyckoff's work). But, as you point out, getting down to the details of putting this information into practice and making money with it is another matter. At the very least, one must have some sort of definition of trend, trend change and trend reversal in order to make the necessary real-time decisions.

For instance, using your example of the FTSE, it never broke its trendline, and even though it did drop below its 150dma, it never dropped below the last swing low. Therefore, there was no reversal. The primary choice, then, became to wait or to exit (or at least lighten up), but not to short.

Keep in mind, though, that the lives of people who trade off weekly charts do not revolve around trading; they aren't sitting in front of their screens all day long obsessing over every tick. Directly translating EOD and EOW strategies such as Weinstein's and Darvas's to intraday trading is its own challenge.

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Mirkopor

I liked this article. Of course in real world not everything is easy and it's often difficult to find clear stages. But the idea is good to shape the long term scenario. Could be good also to decide when hedge or not a long only portfolio

damianoakley

Breakouts - I would say that they are still a firm tried-and-tested way of trading the markets.


Thanks

Damian

kitster

Have a look at www.chart-breakouts.co.uk any english traders out there,pretty fine record to date,not sure what software they're using but pulled some right good trades out this last month although it has been a strong market.

Splitlink

Yes, that was the first important point to strike me. There is a difference between the kind of trader being addressed in his article and those daily and intraday traders mostly posting here.

I do both types and I must say that longer term trading is the most profitable, the least work intensive and the backbone of my own strategy.

I cannot tell when the next big "crash" is going to come, so cannot advise those with a few thousand to go out and buy shares in the New Year, but I have been in shares since the mid sixties and have ridden several setbacks- the oil scare of the seventies, now a distant memory and, of course, the 1987 one-- but I would advise a youngster with a few thousand to invest for his pension enhancement and not speculate in looking for Holy Grails in the futures markets.

I haven't read past page 1, yet, I read more slowly these days! But I intend to, I'm never too young to learn something.

Happy and Prosperous NewYear.

P.S. I'm not 87,yet. Just 74!

Split